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So, I'm coming back to the hobby after a long break and see there is still a lot of hate toward GW. First and foremost, GW only cares about your opinion if you are a shareholder, yes you are the consumer but people love the game so when one person burns out another one takes their place. It is a huge company with a good product ,so yeah, they try and get money out of you any way they can. I'm not saying I like their business practices but accept that it is an aspect of life.

How can make a difference? Everyone in the hobby should buy at least one share of GW. Why? If you want your opinion to be considered become what businesses care about, a shareholder. Capitalism is a but the system can work for us. If you think your voice won't make a difference because you are only one person, try going to sleep with a mosquito in the room, it's hard.

What do you think?

Buy low, sell high.

Thus, it's definitely not at it's low point. Wait until after the next financial report.

Wait... if we all got shares wouldnt the price start going up...

There will need to be an organized system where the poorer buy first, scaling up to the richer ones buying last. That we you maximise shares...

But im not knowledgeable on that side of finance.


Nor am I supporting it...

TheKbob: While I do support that mentality of flipping certain stocks, this isn't one of them. I'm suggesting you invest in the company and provide feedback to them in order to push GW forward. We should buy and hold because we want the company to do well since we are also the consumer. Companies will ask their shareholders for votes when making decisions that impact the company. That is the point of buying GW stock, not to turn a huge profit.

Buying GW stock would be just another GW hobby.

But the idea is cool enough.

 jasper76 wrote:
Buying GW stock would be just another GW hobby.

But the idea is cool enough.

Indeed, this would be a totally different hobby. Nevertheless, I'll think about it.

I have real investments.

The only stocks I care about are my stocks of unpainted models. The ones for other games are growing.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Buying GW stock would be just another GW hobby.

But the idea is cool enough.

Indeed, this would be a totally different hobby. Nevertheless, I'll think about it.

I'll do it if you do...but how would I know you did

You are a few years late. GW is economically crippled so hard, it can't be hidden anymore before shareholders, not enough profit left to fill the coffers of Tom Kirby himself. Most infrastructure sold, revenue and profits dropping, every sign of a company panicking in the last stage of its existence. So unless a hostile takeover happens, I wouldn't bet that more of the same will remedy this situation.

 stealthy327 wrote:
So, I'm coming back to the hobby after a long break and see there is still a lot of hate toward GW. First and foremost, GW only cares about your opinion if you are a shareholder, yes you are the consumer but people love the game so when one person burns out another one takes their place. It is a huge company with a good product ,so yeah, they try and get money out of you any way they can. I'm not saying I like their business practices but accept that it is an aspect of life.

How can make a difference? Everyone in the hobby should buy at least one share of GW. Why? If you want your opinion to be considered become what businesses care about, a shareholder. Capitalism is a but the system can work for us. If you think your voice won't make a difference because you are only one person, try going to sleep with a mosquito in the room, it's hard.

What do you think?

One share is what 0,00001% whats that compared to someone whom owns 1% or 10% of the Company shares?

You may as well burn your money.

Tom Kirby, CEO of GW wrote:Hold on, guys! There's a guy owning one of the 32 million shares of the company and apparently he is not happy with how we are running things! Stop everything! We must listen to our owner!

 stealthy327 wrote:
TheKbob: While I do support that mentality of flipping certain stocks, this isn't one of them. I'm suggesting you invest in the company and provide feedback to them in order to push GW forward. We should buy and hold because we want the company to do well since we are also the consumer. Companies will ask their shareholders for votes when making decisions that impact the company. That is the point of buying GW stock, not to turn a huge profit.

Umm do you own stocks? That isn't how it works, I think that is not a good plan (with all due respect).
When buying a stock you want it to give you some financial security and to MAKE MONEY, regardless of what your personal opinion is if you buy stocks and the company drops again and you say that is okay I didn't want to make money You crazy foo lol
GW is NOT a safe investment (Ya people are going to say higher risk higher reward...but I say higher risk in a PLASTIC MINIATURE company is a bad idea because if it goes in the pooper and you are out thousands of dollars just saying ).

Companies don't ask shareholders for votes or opinions on things unless they own a significant amount of the company.
Lets face it if you have the money to buy even 1% of the company through stocks (310 000 stocks which is 16 523 000 GBX which is a little over $300 000 Canadian) you probably wouldn't be playing this game all that much and you are in it to make money.
I have much better things to spend my money on then a company that makes plastic miniatures that I play for fun.

 Kroothawk wrote:
You are a few years late. GW is economically crippled so hard, it can't be hidden anymore before shareholders, not enough profit left to fill the coffers of Tom Kirby himself. Most infrastructure sold, revenue and profits dropping, every sign of a company panicking in the last stage of its existence. So unless a hostile takeover happens, I wouldn't bet that more of the same will remedy this situation.

Is that was GW's revenues in 2013 have passed 2004 levels, when they were at the height of the LotR craze?

GW isn't hurting financially yet. They're sitting on enough money to run for about a year without making a dime. If things are starting to droop though (and I don't mean anecdotally, I mean legitimate drops in sales that can't be attributed to the winter weather that was punishing every retailer this last Christmas) then GW will be trying to cure the problem before it gets worse.

Also the company has several million shares priced at over 400GBP each, a "hostile" take over is not cheap, and it really isn't easy either (as soon as the company sees signs of it they can just split stocks and double the number of shares they have making it harder for someone to buy them out that way).

 chiefbigredman wrote:

Lets face it if you have the money to buy even 1% of the company through stocks (310 000 stocks which is 16 523 000 GBX which is a little over $300 000 Canadian)

I re-worked the numbers, and it is more like:
310,000 shares is £1,652,300, or Can$3,023,700.

Also, GW's share-tracker is down on their new site.

Also:

INTERIM MANAGEMENT STATEMENT
For the period 2 December 2013 to 6 April 2014
Games Workshop Group PLC today issues the following interim management statement for the period 2 December 2013 to 6 April 2014.
In the four months to 6 April 2014 trading has been broadly in line with the board’s expectations.

If you have enough money to buy enough shares to make GW care about your opinion... you probably aren't on this forum chatting about toy soldiers and you probably aren't silly enough to buy a significant portion of a company just because you want your voice heard in how they make their toy soldiers.

The money required to buy out a large enough portion of GW would probably hire you some sculpters and casters to make your own game.

There are a few GW investors on here. Look at the other thread (main page 2-3) for info.

 Skinnereal wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

Lets face it if you have the money to buy even 1% of the company through stocks (310 000 stocks which is 16 523 000 GBX which is a little over $300 000 Canadian)

I re-worked the numbers, and it is more like:
310,000 shares is £1,652,300, or Can$3,023,700.

Also, GW's share-tracker is down on their new site.

Also:

INTERIM MANAGEMENT STATEMENT
For the period 2 December 2013 to 6 April 2014
Games Workshop Group PLC today issues the following interim management statement for the period 2 December 2013 to 6 April 2014.
In the four months to 6 April 2014 trading has been broadly in line with the board’s expectations.

Ah my apologies on the numbers I dropped a zero there somehow

 stealthy327 wrote:
How can make a difference? Everyone in the hobby should buy at least one share of GW. Why? If you want your opinion to be considered become what businesses care about, a shareholder. Capitalism is a but the system can work for us. If you think your voice won't make a difference because you are only one person, try going to sleep with a mosquito in the room, it's hard.

What do you think?

If we all buy a share each in GW this does two things.

1. They see these sales as a reflection of their performance thus these will drive their share price up essentially patting them on the back
2. We have 1 share each, we'd need probably hundreds each to be listened to at all. Basically we'd voice our opinion they'd smile and be like "alright there champ" and flip a coin over to us.

There is an issue with hatred I agreee but there is also an issue with fanaticism. Raising concerns does not equate to hatred. Many need to realise this difference still. Additionally we may not have shares, but the company should sort of have some interest in who buys their product correct? Purchasing shares is a futile attempt and gains us nothing.

 Skinnereal wrote:
There are a few GW investors on here. Look at the other thread (main page 2-3) for info.

That own enough to make GW care about their opinion?

 Skinnereal wrote:
There are a few GW investors on here. Look at the other thread (main page 2-3) for info.

Just because there are investors of GW that doesn't mean that they own a significant amount of the company. If I spent $10 000 canadian on stocks I still only own that is what 1025ish stocks? So you effectively own what 0.0033% of the company?? Again that is if my math is correct lol

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
There are a few GW investors on here. Look at the other thread (main page 2-3) for info.

Just because there are investors of GW that doesn't mean that they own a significant amount of the company. If I spent $10 000 canadian on stocks I still only own that is what 1025ish stocks? So you effectively own what 0.0033% of the company?? Again that is if my math is correct lol

Here's someone on here claiming to own $50k of GW stocks:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/330/578355.page

But yeah, $10,000 is 1025 shares.

Still several million dollars off being significant enough for GW to give a damn about you personally.

If every gamer bought 1 share or whatever, the GW board would not even know that it's shareholders were largely gamers so they still wouldn't give a damn about the gamer's perspective.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
...then GW will be trying to cure the problem before it gets worse.

Just how do they plan to do that? Do they even know how it can be done? Their reaction to the last report was to fire people for following orders and shrink their sales operations even more...

Buying GW stock might have the undesirable effect of making GW thing that ANYTHING they are currently doing is somehow good.......and we wouldn't want that. now would we?

For a company that makes miniatures, GW is quite large, I imagine as long as they don't start owing money they can just shrink themselves and keep on going as a smaller operation.

Nifty idea but logistically impossible to make it effectual. Also wait for the end of the year financial report shitstorm. ..the price will drop even lower.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
...then GW will be trying to cure the problem before it gets worse.

Just how do they plan to do that? Do they even know how it can be done? Their reaction to the last report was to fire people for following orders and shrink their sales operations even more...

New 40k edition comes to mind. You could even argue that the accelerated release schedule is part of it too. The point was that GW is going to try and tackle the problem before it's so bad they tank.

I am curious what you mean by "fire people for following orders" as I haven't heard a peep about that. As for shrinking the sales operations honestly I'm not against that. I feel at this point the brick and mortar stores are draining more money than they're making. Most of what GW has been doing has been more of a shell game though, closing a store in one place, opening it in another, sometimes cheaper, place.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
For a company that makes miniatures, GW is quite large, I imagine as long as they don't start owing money they can just shrink themselves and keep on going as a smaller operation.

They seem to be working very hard to ensure they don't have to borrow money. So yes, they could shrink themselves into a smaller operation (drop the brick and mortars and you're pretty much set).

 Skinnereal wrote:

Here's someone on here claiming to own $50k of GW stocks:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/330/578355.page

Well claiming something like that on the internet is like meh anyone could either way if he does in fact own that many share though that is still only (Based on the current market value he didn't say how many shares he owned which would have made more sense since the actually $ value fluctuates) 5600 shares = 0.018% of the company so therefore no say in anything really haha

Now actually would be a good time to be GW stock. Its PE ratio is low, signifying low expectations (and, as they say, when others are fearful, be greedy), despite having a high dividend yield relative to, say, Hasbro, and the price itself is down at the moment.

I don't know if I'd wait until the next quarter results. It doesn't seem to me that GW's performance is going to be able to drop faster than expectations have.