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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 00:33:02
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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So going away from the usual artillery and Russ spam that leapt out from the codex I have a couple of lists trying to get the most out of Bullgryns. Straight up Bullgryn list:
Yarrick 145
3 Priests 75
Vets: 2 Plasmaguns, Taurox camo netting 155
Vets: 2 Meltaguns, Taurox camo netting 145
Vets: 2 Meltaguns, Taurox camo netting 145
Vets: 2 Meltaguns, Taurox camo netting 145
3 Bullgryns 145
5 Bullgryns: Maul 250
5 Bullgryns: 2 Mauls 265
2 Wyverns 130
2 Wyverns 130
Hydra 70
ADL 50
So wall of T5 3+ fearless with serious CC punch and everything behind is AV with 3+ cover. Using a Hydra as with 3+ cover and low threat level it should do OK AA support to the Tauroxes. Though AA is still a weakness.
Now I present Bullstar:
Red Scorpions
Severin Loth 175
Chapter Master: Shield Eternal, AA, TH 230
Scouts: LSS HF 100
Scouts: LSS HF 100
Astra Militarum
Yarrick 145
Psyker: lvl2 75
Priest 25
10 Bullgryns: 3 Mauls 505
Veterans: 2 Meltas, demos, Taurox 160
Veterans: 2 Meltas, Taurox 130
3 Wyverns 195
All the characters go in the Bullstar. It bounces supported by 5++ from shooting CM tank at front and S4 plates everywhere divination, zealot and war hymns thrown in too! 2 Eternal warriors to soak S10 as well  .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 00:42:42
Subject: Re:1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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I do drugs.
Mostly Plastic Crack, but I do dabble in Cardboard Cocaine. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 09:44:19
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Great minds...
Adding Loth gives the unit Gate for more mobility and a 5++ from shooting whilst Objuration mechanicum dovetails well with T5. But it is a full on Deathstar at 1155 points. You also get reroll saves in CC which should enable you to smash up Beastpack.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 12:38:34
Subject: Re:1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Only reason I woudnt call it a deathstar was because of the 2 weaknesses i saw, #1 the mobility, and #2 even 30 t5 space marine wounds can be killed.
But you solved #1 pretty well and #2 the deep striking gives the opponent only one or two turns of shooting.
What does yarrick give the unit?
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I do drugs.
Mostly Plastic Crack, but I do dabble in Cardboard Cocaine. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 13:11:23
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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A second EW tank more Ap2 combat and the only remotely CC competent IC in the codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 13:14:07
Subject: Re:1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Can he issue orders?
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I do drugs.
Mostly Plastic Crack, but I do dabble in Cardboard Cocaine. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 13:23:37
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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So they have mobility 30 T5 marines takes a while to kill remember a guaranteed 5++ and possible 4++. A 2+/3++ character tanking another 4++ tanking too. It's pretty tough. Automatically Appended Next Post: No unfortunately not so you'll have to roll ignores cover.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/04/14 13:24:31
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 15:49:06
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You forgot the anti-tank. I don't think a couple of meltaguns are going to cut it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 16:00:07
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yeah I'm relying on powers and CC largely for AT at the moment. That is an issue with the Bullstar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 18:24:33
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I like the list but as you say ... so little A/AT - you could drop LSS and Wyverns for stormtalons though
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 18:28:35
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Not dropping the Wyverns and Talons are really quite mediocre. Perhaps the lack of AT is making the idea non-viable.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
How about this I lose a Bullgryn and Yarrick to get 2 Russes fir AT and they carry some AA not that flyers are a huge problem for the list.
Red Scorpions
Severin Loth 175
Chapter Master: Shield Eternal, AA, TH 230
Scouts: 55
Scouts: 55
Astra Militarum
Commander: Vanquisher, lascannon: Exterminator 305
Psyker: lvl2 75
Priest 25
9 Bullgryns: 2 Mauls 445
Veterans: 2 Meltas, demos, Taurox 160
Veterans: 2 Meltas, Taurox 130
3 Wyverns 195
So I've still got 4 meltas but also 4 twinlinked Autocannons and a Vanquisher. Not great AT but not terrible either.
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This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2014/04/14 19:19:58
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 20:38:09
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Your scouts can take an apothecarium for free
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 20:45:30
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Can they I thought it was only tac squads?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/14 20:51:02
Subject: 1850 Astra Militarum can Bullgryns be worth it?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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you are right ... doh ... too bad
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