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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare





So going away from the usual artillery and Russ spam that leapt out from the codex I have a couple of lists trying to get the most out of Bullgryns. Straight up Bullgryn list:

Yarrick 145
3 Priests 75

Vets: 2 Plasmaguns, Taurox camo netting 155
Vets: 2 Meltaguns, Taurox camo netting 145
Vets: 2 Meltaguns, Taurox camo netting 145
Vets: 2 Meltaguns, Taurox camo netting 145

3 Bullgryns 145
5 Bullgryns: Maul 250
5 Bullgryns: 2 Mauls 265

2 Wyverns 130
2 Wyverns 130
Hydra 70

ADL 50

So wall of T5 3+ fearless with serious CC punch and everything behind is AV with 3+ cover. Using a Hydra as with 3+ cover and low threat level it should do OK AA support to the Tauroxes. Though AA is still a weakness.

Now I present Bullstar:

Red Scorpions

Severin Loth 175
Chapter Master: Shield Eternal, AA, TH 230

Scouts: LSS HF 100
Scouts: LSS HF 100

Astra Militarum

Yarrick 145
Psyker: lvl2 75
Priest 25

10 Bullgryns: 3 Mauls 505

Veterans: 2 Meltas, demos, Taurox 160
Veterans: 2 Meltas, Taurox 130

3 Wyverns 195

All the characters go in the Bullstar. It bounces supported by 5++ from shooting CM tank at front and S4 plates everywhere divination, zealot and war hymns thrown in too! 2 Eternal warriors to soak S10 as well .

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I like the idea of it

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Great minds...

Adding Loth gives the unit Gate for more mobility and a 5++ from shooting whilst Objuration mechanicum dovetails well with T5. But it is a full on Deathstar at 1155 points. You also get reroll saves in CC which should enable you to smash up Beastpack.

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Only reason I woudnt call it a deathstar was because of the 2 weaknesses i saw, #1 the mobility, and #2 even 30 t5 space marine wounds can be killed.
But you solved #1 pretty well and #2 the deep striking gives the opponent only one or two turns of shooting.
What does yarrick give the unit?

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A second EW tank more Ap2 combat and the only remotely CC competent IC in the codex.

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Can he issue orders?

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So they have mobility 30 T5 marines takes a while to kill remember a guaranteed 5++ and possible 4++. A 2+/3++ character tanking another 4++ tanking too. It's pretty tough.


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No unfortunately not so you'll have to roll ignores cover.

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You forgot the anti-tank. I don't think a couple of meltaguns are going to cut it.


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Yeah I'm relying on powers and CC largely for AT at the moment. That is an issue with the Bullstar.

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I like the list but as you say ... so little A/AT - you could drop LSS and Wyverns for stormtalons though

 
   
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Not dropping the Wyverns and Talons are really quite mediocre. Perhaps the lack of AT is making the idea non-viable.


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How about this I lose a Bullgryn and Yarrick to get 2 Russes fir AT and they carry some AA not that flyers are a huge problem for the list.


Red Scorpions 

Severin Loth 175 
Chapter Master: Shield Eternal, AATH 230 

Scouts: 55
Scouts: 55

Astra Militarum 

Commander: Vanquisher, lascannon: Exterminator 305
Psyker: lvl2 75 
Priest 25 

9 Bullgryns: 2 Mauls 445

Veterans: 2 Meltas, demos, Taurox 160 
Veterans: 2 Meltas, Taurox 130 

3 Wyverns 195 

So I've still got 4 meltas but also 4 twinlinked Autocannons and a Vanquisher. Not great AT but not terrible either.

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Your scouts can take an apothecarium for free

 
   
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Can they I thought it was only tac squads?

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you are right ... doh ... too bad



 
   
 
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