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The Great State of Texas

Justice served, sort of. Deserved much more if you read what he was doing all these years. Racist dog.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/04/accused_bully_says_judge_who_s.html



SOUTH EUCLID, Ohio — The man accused of bullying his neighbors for 15 years, including children with developmental disabilities, carried out part of his punishment on Sunday by sitting at a busy intersection with a large sign that says he’s a bully.

Edmond Aviv, 62, endured five hours of people yelling at him from passing cars while holding a sign that said: "I AM A BULLY! I pick on children that are disabled, and I am intolerant of those that are different from myself. My actions do not reflect an appreciation for the diverse South Euclid community that I live in."

Aviv, who ignored the comments and rarely looked up, said the judge’s sentence and ensuing media coverage that garnered national and international attention ruined his life. He also denied he bullied the family.


“The judge destroyed me,” said Aviv, who refused to answer other questions. “This isn’t fair at all.”

Some 95 cars honked their horns while passing by the intersection on Monticello Boulevard and Trebisky Road. Another 89 yelled insults at him. Aviv sat at the intersection from 9 a.m. until 2 p.m.


Fourteen people approached Aviv, and either took pictures or talked to him. One neighbor, Alex Simmons, the 21-year-old son of South Euclid Municipal Court Bailiff Isaiah Simmons, said Aviv yelled racial slurs at him while growing up in the neighborhood.

“He called me porch monkey a couple times and the N-word,” Alex Simmons said. “I told my parents at the time and they said to avoid his house and be the bigger person. This punishment is great. Justice has been served.”

Aviv pleaded no contest to a fourth-degree misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct. It’s the fourth time he’s been convicted of harassing his neighbors.

Judge Gayle Williams-Byers sentenced Aviv to hold the sign for five hours on Sunday, serve 15 days in jail and seven months on probation. She also ordered Aviv to complete 100 hours of community service, anger management classes and personal counseling at the Diversity Center of Cleveland.

Court probation officer Steve Flowe monitored Aviv the entire five hours. Isaiah Simmons, the bailiff, also stopped by to ensure the sentence was carried out.

Court records say Aviv harassed Sandra Prugh’s family for 15 years. Prugh has two adult adopted children with developmental disabilities, cerebral palsy and epilepsy, a husband suffering from dementia and a paralyzed son.

Records say the most recent case stemmed from Aviv being annoyed at the smell of Downy coming from Prugh's dryer vent when she did laundry.

Court records say Aviv tried to sue the family in 2010 because the smell bothered him. The case was thrown out. Shortly after, Aviv dumped fabric softener on Prugh's lawn, the letter says.

Court records say Aviv later made a device that linked kerosene to a fan in his garage. The fan blew the fumes onto Prugh's property, reports say. One of Prugh’s children became ill because of the fumes, Williams-Byers previously said.

Prugh called police on April 9 and April 11, 2013, reports say. Firefighters and police discovered the kerosene contraption and made Aviv dismantle it, reports say.

Court and police records say the dispute between Aviv and Prugh dates back 15 years.

Prugh's letter to the court says that in 1998, Aviv jogged past her and spit on her. He spit on her again while she was planting flowers in her backyard, the letter says.

Aviv later called Prugh a "monkey momma," according to the letter. The letter says Aviv used the slur while she held her two adopted African-American children with disabilities.

Prugh also claimed Aviv regularly threw dog feces on her son's car windshield and once smeared feces on a new wheelchair ramp the family built for their disabled children.

On Sunday, several people cursed at Aviv and hurled insults at him from cars. Many slowed to read the sign and take photos. Most of the people who approached Aviv said they liked his punishment. Some said they felt sorry for him.

Neighborhood residents and enraged citizens tried to talk with Aviv, who refused to acknowledge them. One said she drove from Eastlake, a 12-mile drive, specifically to talk with him.

Two women approached him and offered Aviv a bottle of water. One offered him lunch.

One former resident, Brandon Rehner, who said he attended Brush High School with one of the Prugh children, said Aviv cursed at him when he walked by Aviv’s home several years ago.

Scott Fierman, Aviv’s attorney, checked on his client. He declined to address reporter’s questions.

One resident, Bill Schneeberger, who said he’s lived in South Euclid for 15 years, said he knew the children Aviv is accused of bullying. Schneeberger described the children as polite and well-mannered.

Schneeberger said he liked the punishment.

“It’s absolutely good,” Schneeberger said. “As long as he learns from it.”

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I think I could of thought of something way more humiliating

   
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No stocks so people can thrown rotten fruit at him?

 
   
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Yeah, exceptional justice. Let's give this guy a bigger chip on his shoulder.

The guy sounds like an absolute witch. Surely a longer jail term, probation and him having to attend counselling and diversity meetings would have been enough?

   
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Court records say Aviv later made a device that linked kerosene to a fan in his garage. The fan blew the fumes onto Prugh's property, reports say. One of Prugh’s children became ill because of the fumes, Williams-Byers previously said.

Prugh called police on April 9 and April 11, 2013, reports say. Firefighters and police discovered the kerosene contraption and made Aviv dismantle it, reports say.


Why is he not in jail for this? That is assault if not attempted murder. If he lived in my area, the EPA would have been all over him. Here if cigarette smoke crosses your property line you can be fined heavily, if he was intentionally blowing toxic and fatal fumes onto a neighbors property, he should have been put in jail.

I hope they charge him with a real crime for his vandalism and violence.

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 Medium of Death wrote:
Yeah, exceptional justice. Let's give this guy a bigger chip on his shoulder.

The guy sounds like an absolute witch. Surely a longer jail term, probation and him having to attend counselling and diversity meetings would have been enough?


He's a racist. You think diversity meetings mean gak?

An ice pick would be better.

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Probably work

Well, this got handled poorly.

I was going to harp on about the paradox of tolerance and all that, but then I got to the second half of the article where it talked about how much of a fuckhead this guy is. The guy shouldn't have been publicly ostracized. That will just encourage him. He needs to be rehabilitated.

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Exactly how do you rehabilitate a racist who sprayed kerosene at a house, spit on people, and smeared popp all over their stuff?

(thinks a sec then raises his hand) OOH OOH I KNOW!

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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A longer jail term would have been better as I said in my post. He has to go to the diversity training whether he learns from it or not.

Humiliation is a "good" form of punishment, but what does it achieve in the long term?

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I think it was creative, and the fact that "it ruined his life" seems like a win to me. Now he knows how it feels to be that verbally abused. He doesn't like it? Maybe he shouldn't have been such an ass.

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 daedalus wrote:
Well, this got handled poorly.

I was going to harp on about the paradox of tolerance and all that, but then I got to the second half of the article where it talked about how much of a fuckhead this guy is. The guy shouldn't have been publicly ostracized. That will just encourage him. He needs to be rehabilitated.


How precisely do you recommend they rehabilitate him other than the anger management and diversity training?


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This man deserves all he gets, but I'm worried the lawyers are going to get more involved, and possibly see this guy getting some undeserved compensation. Why?

Consider this: (emphasis my own)

Constitution of the United States of America

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS INFLICTED.

The SCOTUS could be all over this like a bad rash, because it certainly qualifies, in my mind, as unusual, even though it's deserved in my view.

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He got off pretty lightly all things considered. SCOTUS isn't going to get involved. It won't even go to appeal.

   
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Probably work

 gunslingerpro wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
Well, this got handled poorly.

I was going to harp on about the paradox of tolerance and all that, but then I got to the second half of the article where it talked about how much of a fuckhead this guy is. The guy shouldn't have been publicly ostracized. That will just encourage him. He needs to be rehabilitated.


How precisely do you recommend they rehabilitate him other than the anger management and diversity training?



I suppose to be more precise, I had meant, "rehabilitated, and nothing more."

Making a pariah of him will not make the counseling any more effective. If anything, it will probably give him reason to be much more vicious and calculating about it. Pride is a funny thing like that.

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 LordofHats wrote:
He got off pretty lightly all things considered. SCOTUS isn't going to get involved. It won't even go to appeal.


So you're going to walk on by, walk on and do nothing as the greatest legal document of all time is dragged through the gutter. Because, by God, if you allow violations of the 8th, then the floodgates are open! Have you no shame! Are there no good men (or women!) left in America!!!

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Yes. The Constitution is being dragged through the mud because some old racist was told to standing in public with a sign after 15 years of being a terrible human being.

Woe is us. The end is nigh. REPENT. REPENT!

   
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
This man deserves all he gets, but I'm worried the lawyers are going to get more involved, and possibly see this guy getting some undeserved compensation. Why?

Consider this: (emphasis my own)

Constitution of the United States of America

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS INFLICTED.

The SCOTUS could be all over this like a bad rash, because it certainly qualifies, in my mind, as unusual, even though it's deserved in my view.

What precisely, in your opinion, was cruel and unusual? Bearing in mind that his conviction would be a matter of public record and his actions would be known by the public.

 
   
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Probably work

Well, why don't we stockade people anymore and make with the tomatoes?

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Well it is certainly unusual .

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Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
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Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
 
   
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 daedalus wrote:
Well, why don't we stockade people anymore and make with the tomatoes?


Oh we've all done that before. It's boring.

It's way funner to to tie them up in a latex gimp suit and pelt them with Japanese tentacle porn

   
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Probably work

 LordofHats wrote:

It's way funner to to tie them up in a latex gimp suit and pelt them with Japanese tentacle porn


Dude. We're talking about Americans. Having to see a fat person in a latex gimp suit is cruel and unusual punishment to everyone WATCHING.

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We could try kitten torture. It requires an iron maiden, a mallet, lots of kittens, and an unfortunate victim.

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Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
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I've personally always championed brining back the Gulloitine. I mean, at this point lethal injection isn't as painless as we assumed, so if we're gonna kill someone lets at least make it look menacing

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
I've personally always championed brining back the Gulloitine. I mean, at this point lethal injection isn't as painless as we assumed, so if we're gonna kill someone lets at least make it look menacing


I feel like the guillotine is more appropriate specifically for anyone who is part of the landed gentry or a member of government. Firing squads for the remainder, I say!

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I can settle for firing squads but North Korea has raised the stakes and we can't be outdone. I vote we use a barrage of pink slips to bury the accused until they bleed out from paper cuts or are crushed by the weight of their failure.

   
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 daedalus wrote:
Well, why don't we stockade people anymore and make with the tomatoes?

Serious answer; because then we are facilitating and permitting assault by members of the public

 
   
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 Medium of Death wrote:
A longer jail term would have been better as I said in my post. He has to go to the diversity training whether he learns from it or not.

Humiliation is a "good" form of punishment, but what does it achieve in the long term?



What do you think a longer jail term would really achieve in the long term?

   
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 Hordini wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:
A longer jail term would have been better as I said in my post. He has to go to the diversity training whether he learns from it or not.

Humiliation is a "good" form of punishment, but what does it achieve in the long term?



What do you think a longer jail term would really achieve in the long term?


When compared to public humiliation?

I don't really think 15 days is an acceptable term for what he has done or has been doing. I don't really have the capacity or will power to go into the merits or disadvantages of the American Prison System, but actually punishing him like everybody else is probably a good idea. Singling him out for public humiliation is pretty stupid.

   
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 Medium of Death wrote:
 Hordini wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:
A longer jail term would have been better as I said in my post. He has to go to the diversity training whether he learns from it or not.

Humiliation is a "good" form of punishment, but what does it achieve in the long term?



What do you think a longer jail term would really achieve in the long term?


When compared to public humiliation?

I don't really think 15 days is an acceptable term for what he has done or has been doing. I don't really have the capacity or will power to go into the merits or disadvantages of the American Prison System, but actually punishing him like everybody else is probably a good idea. Singling him out for public humiliation is pretty stupid.


Every time a new form of punishment is created, it has to start somewhere. Meet patient zero for the new anti-racism judicial campaign. There should be a lot more to follow suit, I hope. It just had to start somewhere.

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