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I'm sure people have tried this, and I'm wondering why its not a bigger deal than it is. Stealth or Shrouded makes Green Tide or Nob Bikers considerably more survivable. In fact, as a cover dependent army, short ranged army the whole Ork list loves this gak.

Our vehicles will hate the lightning bolts, but everything else practically ignores them. Meanwhile the bolts are some of the best 'shooting' Orks can get.

So why isn't this used more? Whats the hole in this combination? Has Ignores Cover gotten *that* bad?

Consider that combined with a KFF Mek you can get to a solid 3+ Cover on all units in range, yeah, that is pretty scary. Never really considered it, I suppose. It's certainly an interesting proposition.

Power level left aside, I would feel dirty letting Imotekh play with Orks...it just feels so wrong from a lore perspective.

In regards to its effectiveness, though, you have to keep in mind that searchlights and acute senses negate the beforementioned advantages and those come plentiful nowadays, especially now that Tau became so popular. Furthermore, you have to properly hide Imotekh and be wary of the 6'' distance between any Necron and Ork unit. It's a very costly strategy but you might pull it off.

Why don't you proxy this setup and go for a test match or two? I'd be interested in the results and I assume that others might as well!

Lol, I see this as an opportunity to put my Snikrot model to use. Killboss Sneakstabba with his Night Assault and Sneaky Traps special rules anyone?

I've seen Tau Ignores Cover summed up as follows; if the markerlights are stripping cover they're not doing something else. Think of it as a free shield to negate the initial lights.

Edit: Anyone know, do we get the 4+ Seize with allied Stormlord? I hadn't even considered this when I first thought of the idea

Imotekh has to be the Warlord for his Seize-on-a-4+ to come into play.

It's time to buff hordes!

Sucks, we're paying a bucket of points for an ability that doesn't work...

Wonder what other pseudo-battle brothers Orks can get. The other one that comes to mind is Skarbrand, whose rage bubble affects *everything* within 12"

You could always... main Necrons, ally Orks?

You could model your Necrons as a Mekboy's 'speriments and have Imotekh be a big mek testing out his latest contraptions.

I mean, the Orks were children of the old ones, they had to at least be competetive with the Crons so perhaps they could replicate some of the effects of Necron tech.

Plus the quantum fields and the Necron's love of reserves fits well into the theme of Ork superiority with shield and teleportation science.

Orky robots which count-as necrons would certainly be a very cool modelling project and would avoid fluff whines, but it's not something I'd spend time or money on until we see the new ork codex.

I'm gonna go ahead and call these 'Cron hybrid green skins "N'orks"

 Kain wrote:
You could model your Necrons as a Mekboy's 'speriments and have Imotekh be a big mek testing out his latest contraptions

The Orks already had Tinboy models and rules back in the day.




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 Dakkamite wrote:
Stealth or Shrouded makes Green Tide or Nob Bikers considerably more survivable.

How does Imotek grant Orks Shrouded or Stealth? Is it the auto night fight?

 Kain wrote:
I mean, the Orks were children of the old ones,

They most certainly are not!

They are the children of the 'Lost Race" which is something entirely different.
The Lost Race is still alive and kicking, they're just fallen from grace somewhat

Orks are children of...they don't really care that much of who's children they are.

How does Imotek grant Orks Shrouded or Stealth? Is it the auto night fight?

Yeah thats the way. What other way could it be?

 grendel083 wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I mean, the Orks were children of the old ones,

They most certainly are not!

They are the children of the 'Lost Race" which is something entirely different.
The Lost Race is still alive and kicking, they're just fallen from grace somewhat

Well every other fantasy race in space is tied to the deader than a door nail ones.

Not that it matters, that was 60 million years ago, which is forever ago even to Chaos and the Eldar.

It was the fight to end all fights, it's over, now there's new stuff to kill.

 Dakkamite wrote:

How does Imotek grant Orks Shrouded or Stealth? Is it the auto night fight?

Yeah thats the way. What other way could it be?

So fond of my ideas on how to justify the Alliance?

 Kain wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I mean, the Orks were children of the old ones,

They most certainly are not!

They are the children of the 'Lost Race" which is something entirely different.
The Lost Race is still alive and kicking, they're just fallen from grace somewhat

Well every other fantasy race in space is tied to the deader than a door nail ones.

Not that it matters, that was 60 million years ago, which is forever ago even to Chaos and the Eldar.

It was the fight to end all fights, it's over, now there's new stuff to kill.

True, but it's quite amusing that the creators of the Orks, and one time Masterminds of the galaxy are currently used as a snack for Orks or ammo for their Shokkattack guns

 grendel083 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I mean, the Orks were children of the old ones,

They most certainly are not!

They are the children of the 'Lost Race" which is something entirely different.
The Lost Race is still alive and kicking, they're just fallen from grace somewhat

Well every other fantasy race in space is tied to the deader than a door nail ones.

Not that it matters, that was 60 million years ago, which is forever ago even to Chaos and the Eldar.

It was the fight to end all fights, it's over, now there's new stuff to kill.

True, but it's quite amusing that the creators of the Orks, and one time Masterminds of the galaxy are currently used as a snack for Orks or ammo for their Shokkattack guns

Even funnier is that the Eldar and Slann were probably the commanders of the Orks in ye olden days, acting like Officers to the Old One's status as generals and grand planners.

Even though now an Ork would probably play "pin da stikkbomm on da 'umie" if you ever suggested that a Panzee could boss around Orks.

 Kain wrote:
Even funnier is that the Eldar and Slann were probably the commanders of the Orks in ye olden days, acting like Officers to the Old One's status as generals and grand planners.

Why would they be Officers to the Orks?
I can't stress enough that the "Lost Race" and "Old Ones" are not the same. Don't think they even met.
Orks had no part in that war at all.

 Dakkamite wrote:
I'm sure people have tried this, and I'm wondering why its not a bigger deal than it is. Stealth or Shrouded makes Green Tide or Nob Bikers considerably more survivable. In fact, as a cover dependent army, short ranged army the whole Ork list loves this gak.

Our vehicles will hate the lightning bolts, but everything else practically ignores them. Meanwhile the bolts are some of the best 'shooting' Orks can get.

So why isn't this used more? Whats the hole in this combination? Has Ignores Cover gotten *that* bad?

I did this in a tourny before that FAQ and the cover save was awesome for the first turn, after that the orks get to close to benefit from it. so by turn 2 or 3 they're back to just their 5+ kff save anyways. the lightning strikes really didn't help that much to make up for imotekhs cost. Now considering he's just as likely to kill your units as you're enemies I don't find him as useful. Because the way I roll sometimes I can see me not hitting any of my enemies units, and just hitting the orks.

He also gives some 2+ cover save to enemies vehicles which prevented my lootas from wrecking them. Behind a ruin with shroud. They'd get the hits to wreck them, but the 2+ negated all of them.

and yes Tau/eldar don't grant many cover saves, which is making me wonder if the KFF is worth it's points.

He's the proverbial two edged sword and definitely cuts both ways. Yes he'll help with your trukks cover save, but will that make you feel better when he's the one blowing them up?

 Kain wrote:
You could model your Necrons as a Mekboy's 'speriments and have Imotekh be a big mek testing out his latest contraptions.

I mean, the Orks were children of the old ones, they had to at least be competetive with the Crons so perhaps they could replicate some of the effects of Necron tech.

Plus the quantum fields and the Necron's love of reserves fits well into the theme of Ork superiority with shield and teleportation science.

I shivereda little reading this - it's just so wrong from a lore perspective! No offense to you, of course, it's your idea I criticize, not you personally, but this doesn't make any sense lore-wise. Neither can you replicate Necron tech, nor did the Orks ever compete with the Necrontyr, let alone Necrons. Imotekh an Ork construction...I mean...just no, please :(

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Kain wrote:
You could model your Necrons as a Mekboy's 'speriments and have Imotekh be a big mek testing out his latest contraptions.

I mean, the Orks were children of the old ones, they had to at least be competetive with the Crons so perhaps they could replicate some of the effects of Necron tech.

Plus the quantum fields and the Necron's love of reserves fits well into the theme of Ork superiority with shield and teleportation science.

I shivereda little reading this - it's just so wrong from a lore perspective! No offense to you, of course, it's your idea I criticize, not you personally, but this doesn't make any sense lore-wise. Neither can you replicate Necron tech, nor did the Orks ever compete with the Necrontyr, let alone Necrons. Imotekh an Ork construction...I mean...just no, please :(

I was describing the fluff for the tourny. Imotekh, annoyed that he could never figure out the orks way of thinking, brought a few select units and joined in with my warboss. He figured fighting a battle or two along side them would help him figure the orks out. In the end it just gave him a headache and the mad dok grabbed his units for spare parts

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Kain wrote:
You could model your Necrons as a Mekboy's 'speriments and have Imotekh be a big mek testing out his latest contraptions.

I mean, the Orks were children of the old ones, they had to at least be competetive with the Crons so perhaps they could replicate some of the effects of Necron tech.

Plus the quantum fields and the Necron's love of reserves fits well into the theme of Ork superiority with shield and teleportation science.

I shivereda little reading this - it's just so wrong from a lore perspective! No offense to you, of course, it's your idea I criticize, not you personally, but this doesn't make any sense lore-wise. Neither can you replicate Necron tech, nor did the Orks ever compete with the Necrontyr, let alone Necrons. Imotekh an Ork construction...I mean...just no, please :(

People use Necrons to play AdMech armies all the time.

You don't say it's Necron tech. It's just something that hits about as hard via different means. That's not Imotekh's lightning, that's just a weather control device; Red Alert 2 style.

Tesla? Well the mek just decided to put enough insulation around a tesla coil to let them shoot lightning with some degree of accuracy.

Quantum shields? Just miniature power fields.

And the Orks were used in the War in Heaven (Krorks lol), so it'd stand to reason that if the Old Ones weren't terminally dumb, the Orks would at some point at least be able to be good enough to carry the fight without wasting resources even if they lost a lot since those days.

A few months ago a winning List (I believe it was a GT) was Crons with Ork allies. He brought a Battlewagon and a Nob bruiser squad to rampage through the backfield.

Bring Ghost Arks, Lords with ResOrbs, and 20 strong bricks of Crons to go with your Green Tide. It's the ultimate in swarm without Nids. Mainly for lulz cause that would suck for 3 rounds until that model count went down.

sirlynchmob wrote:



I was describing the fluff for the tourny. Imotekh, annoyed that he could never figure out the orks way of thinking, brought a few select units and joined in with my warboss. He figured fighting a battle or two along side them would help him figure the orks out. In the end it just gave him a headache and the mad dok grabbed his units for spare parts

You can't capture Necrons or even parts of them :/ And Imotekh admitting mistakes or personal shortcomings? Never gonna happen

cod3x wrote:
A few months ago a winning List (I believe it was a GT) was Crons with Ork allies. He brought a Battlewagon and a Nob bruiser squad to rampage through the backfield.

Bring Ghost Arks, Lords with ResOrbs, and 20 strong bricks of Crons to go with your Green Tide. It's the ultimate in swarm without Nids. Mainly for lulz cause that would suck for 3 rounds until that model count went down.

Without Nids and maximum guard spam.

Cultists can also blob pretty well.

 Sigvatr wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:



I was describing the fluff for the tourny. Imotekh, annoyed that he could never figure out the orks way of thinking, brought a few select units and joined in with my warboss. He figured fighting a battle or two along side them would help him figure the orks out. In the end it just gave him a headache and the mad dok grabbed his units for spare parts

You can't capture Necrons or even parts of them :/ And Imotekh admitting mistakes or personal shortcomings? Never gonna happen

it's not admitting your weakness, it's knowing thy enemy. And it got some chuckles

so why can't you capture necrons? they're metal so they can be melted for rivets if nothing else

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:



I was describing the fluff for the tourny. Imotekh, annoyed that he could never figure out the orks way of thinking, brought a few select units and joined in with my warboss. He figured fighting a battle or two along side them would help him figure the orks out. In the end it just gave him a headache and the mad dok grabbed his units for spare parts

You can't capture Necrons or even parts of them :/ And Imotekh admitting mistakes or personal shortcomings? Never gonna happen

it's not admitting your weakness, it's knowing thy enemy. And it got some chuckles

so why can't you capture necrons? they're metal so they can be melted for rivets if nothing else

Necrons can regenerate from being melted into a puddle of quicksilver, and if you somehow damage them beyond that point they simply teleport away for repairs.

Only sheer, dumb luck makes acquiring mere fragments of Necron technology possible once a blue moon every febuary the thirtieth when the stars align and pigs fly.

I do this all the time. It is really good at preventing alpha strike armies, and what could be better than green tide with a walking reanimating wall of robots in a line in front of them soaking up all the fire?

As for fluff, my fluff says that after a battle with the necrons, the ork mekboyz decided to "build" some necrons for themselves. Of course all this was just some random metal pipes and plates bolted together that actually move, fight, and get back up when shot down. Imotekh saw this, and decided that he could use the orks as a tool for his conquest, without having to sacrifice good necron bodies.


It also gave me an excuse to use 8-bit necrons from a fluff perspective, if you have never heard of them, I suggest you look them up, necrons made up entirely from sprues, and they look quite orky.