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Hello everybody ! I'm new here (joined today) and I wanted to know if it would be possible to create a renegade IG army which is not loyal to the Emperor nor to Chaos. Is this possible to do in the lore and do the rules allow it ?

Strictly speaking, any army that is NOT loyal to the Emperor IS a renegade. They don't HAVE to be Chaos-aligned.

Still means when the Imperium comes knocking, they're going to use bigger guns to "pacify" you.


It's one of those "If you're not with us, you're against us" things. The imperium only thinks in black and white, 1 and 0.

Sure, you could make background in several different ways- the fluff leaves it quite open. The setting does span an entire galaxy after all.

For example-

-A former Imperial Guard army rejected the Imperium for whatever reason you want.

-A solar system has been out of contact so long that they've forgotten the Imperium existed at all.

-A Chaos Guard army rejected Chaos and does their own thing now. Maybe.

-Or any reason you want to make up.

Honestly it's as open as you want it to be- but you might want to decide whether on your army's background before you choose to remove all the Imperial iconography from your models- that could be quite tedious.

It actually happens a lot in the 40k stories that a given planet or imperial commander goes at least partially rogue without going to chaos.

I wanted to create a renegade IG regiment that took control of a solar system and held it from the Imperium. But could it also be possible if they had alliances with the Tau and Eldar for their technology ? Or is that not so good lore wise ?

As long as they were willing to embrace the greater good and accept the tau are first amongst equals, then it sounds plausible.

 Price wrote:
As long as they were willing to embrace the greater good and accept the tau are first amongst equals, then it sounds plausible.

Hmm, I don't want to join them so I'm just going to stay loyal to myself not to some chaos god or foreign race. Now I need a name and some colours :/

It's 40k. The answer is always yes.

Oh, and welcome to dakka.

 Barksdale wrote:
It's 40k. The answer is always yes.

Oh, and welcome to dakka.

This guy knows what's up. You can make up and justify whatever it want- it's a big galaxy out there where anything can happen.

Uhhh... you can do whatever you want 'round these parts. You could paint space marines tan, give them little gopher masks, and call them Ultra-space-gophers. Nobody is stopping you.

As for your particular idea fluffwise, it sounds fine. I'd divide the non-zenos-allied Imperial renegades into three categories.

1. Secessionists
Imperial commanders who break away from the Imperium, most often near the borders of space. Maybe they're sick of Imperial taxation, maybe they have a native religion they prefer over the Imperial Cult, maybe they're sick of sending their sons to die in the Imperial Guard and just want to break away from this mess. Maybe they just have cultural beliefs that are considered 'heretical', and they're sick of being judged.

As to the people who say 'non-Imperial humans are quickly absorbed into the mess', I'd say that you're wrong. Fluffwise the Imperium can't be everywhere at once. Planets that don't have a strategic value or planets that are far away from Imperial strong points will be ignored in many circumstances. Or maybe the Planetary Governor has managed to fool the Adeptus into believing that the planet is still under Imperial control. Or there's a pending exterminatus order, and it'll just take a few thousand years for the Imperials to actually bother to send an inquisitor to that backwards part of the galaxy.

2. Pirates
Not all rebel humans are ideologically motivated. Some humans just want to make a buck in the easiest way possible- by ambushing Imperial freighters and stealing their supplies. With well-hidden bases on asteroids and stolen Imperial warships, Pirate organizations can be a thorn in the side to the Imperium. They'll ambush Imperial patrols and steal their supplies, then vanish before any retaliation can reach them.

3. Independent Civilizations
After the Dark Age of Technology seeded humans throughout the galaxy, many colonies were never kept track of. While the Imperium likes to talk about all the civilizations that were conquered during the Great Crusade, you can be sure there are many worlds that were never found by the Imperium, managed to resist their forces, or were covered in Warp Storms until recently. It's a large galaxy, after all.

Alternately your faction could be an independent force that's never heard of the Imperium until now, and your first battles could be their first contact with the main factions of Warhammer 40k.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
Uhhh... you can do whatever you want 'round these parts. You could paint space marines tan, give them little gopher masks, and call them Ultra-space-gophers. Nobody is stopping you.

As for your particular idea fluffwise, it sounds fine. I'd divide the non-zenos-allied Imperial renegades into three categories.

1. Secessionists
Imperial commanders who break away from the Imperium, most often near the borders of space. Maybe they're sick of Imperial taxation, maybe they have a native religion they prefer over the Imperial Cult, maybe they're sick of sending their sons to die in the Imperial Guard and just want to break away from this mess. Maybe they just have cultural beliefs that are considered 'heretical', and they're sick of being judged.

As to the people who say 'non-Imperial humans are quickly absorbed into the mess', I'd say that you're wrong. Fluffwise the Imperium can't be everywhere at once. Planets that don't have a strategic value or planets that are far away from Imperial strong points will be ignored in many circumstances. Or maybe the Planetary Governor has managed to fool the Adeptus into believing that the planet is still under Imperial control. Or there's a pending exterminatus order, and it'll just take a few thousand years for the Imperials to actually bother to send an inquisitor to that backwards part of the galaxy.

2. Pirates
Not all rebel humans are ideologically motivated. Some humans just want to make a buck in the easiest way possible- by ambushing Imperial freighters and stealing their supplies. With well-hidden bases on asteroids and stolen Imperial warships, Pirate organizations can be a thorn in the side to the Imperium. They'll ambush Imperial patrols and steal their supplies, then vanish before any retaliation can reach them.

3. Independent Civilizations
After the Dark Age of Technology seeded humans throughout the galaxy, many colonies were never kept track of. While the Imperium likes to talk about all the civilizations that were conquered during the Great Crusade, you can be sure there are many worlds that were never found by the Imperium, managed to resist their forces, or were covered in Warp Storms until recently. It's a large galaxy, after all.

Alternately your faction could be an independent force that's never heard of the Imperium until now, and your first battles could be their first contact with the main factions of Warhammer 40k.

You've given me two ideas with your post, the first is an independent civilization which uses high tech alien technology (still need to find out a name and some lore for the aliens and the human civilization). And the second one is a dozen of Secessionists solar systems that are independent and are trying to get more high tech weaponry and other military weapons, they maybe have an alliance with the Tau but do not embrace the greater good they just are friendly towards eachother if that is possible and the Tau give then technology which they make their own. In return they have sent 8000 men to a Tau world to train. I hope you guys like this

No matter when I hear apart from imperial I think of black and grey colors maybe call them seperatustes (made up word) or something like that.