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Renegades with a smattering of Prodigal Sons (e.g. Ahriman), cause I love the idea of Ahriman being a traitor not just to the Imperium, but also to his former Legion with his own Primarch hating his guts.

I also have a unit of Sanctified. Given that World Eaters basically no longer exist in 40K; I find Word Bearers a more fitting background for Khorne Berzerkers. Also, love the colour scheme.

 da001 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
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I also have a unit of Sanctified. Given that World Eaters basically no longer exist in 40K; I find Word Bearers a more fitting background for Khorne Berzerkers. Also, love the colour scheme.

Really? The Dominion of Fire saw 50000 Khorne Marines under command of Angron.

And in the link you gave you can read that the Sanctified are associated with the World Eaters.

And, according to the Codex: Eye of Terror: "During the 13th Black Crusade of Abaddon the Despoiler World Eater warbands would appear in mass to fight alongside the Warmaster. Most notable of these was the army of Kossolax the Foresworn. (...) By 999.M41 the largest army of World Eaters in living memory had assembled."

Seriously, I know Kelly said in an interview that he wanted the Legions out of the setting. But he is alone in that, just like he is alone in Chaos Undivided no longer existing. At this point we have a single author claiming that this and that is no longer there but the rest of the Studio keep writing about the Legions.

It also says, that After Skalathrax "The World Eaters were, ever since, broken as a Legion, fragmented into countless, marauding warbands. " and that the "World Eaters" (e.g. mostly the Sanctified) and the 13th Black Crusade were led by Zhufor, a Renegade Storm Lord (White Scars Geneseed).

Also, "Abaddon the Despoiler and his Black Legion in particular utilize large numbers of Berzerkers. Going a step further, Abaddon has recruited a number of highly-skilled Berzerker-surgeons to his cause, allowing the Black Legion to produce new Berzerkers in numbers beyond even that of the World Eaters." (in turn mostly Berzerkers of White Scars, Word Bearers and other stock in 40k).

So both the Black Legion Berzerkers themselves and the "new-school" World Eaters made from Storm Lords, other Renegades and (ex-)Word Bearers, seem to outnumber actual "Angron-Geneseed-World-Eaters" in 40K as far as "Khorne Berzerkers" go.

But I guess you can just pick whatever version you prefer. 40K-fluff luckily is malleable like that. It's its greatest virtue. Also, there is always "the Warp" if you need an explanation for something.

Perhaps.

But to me, the thing that makes Chaos Space Marines interesting, is that they provide the setting's antonym of uniformity and military cohesion to the loyal Space Marine chapters.

The Chaos Space Marines embraced the idea of following the biggest, meanest, "alpha" around. Sure, a Demon-Primarch like Angron is a pretty big deal, so he'd likely collect a big following. The loyalty of his followers wouldn't last 5 seconds however, if something bigger, badder came along to claim dominance of the warband. Just like any Chaos Lord/Daemon Prince.

Pretty much goes for the rest of them too. Abaddon is on record saying he thinks Horus was an idiot. Ahriman would get shot on sight by any self-respecting Thousand Sons Marine (and his Primarch).

These guys are renegades. Just because their personal history links back to the Horus Heresy-era, doesn't mean they still owe or respect the military allegiances of those "Imperium-made" military-organisation formerly know as "Legions". They don't. They all pursue their personal schemes, plans and motives, and those that follow them follow the rule of the strongest/insanest.

If Khorne et al. don't care about the gene-seed, why should they care about anything else (tactics, culture of recruits, insignia, hierarchies, etc,,, , ????) that would reasonably define a distinguishable military organization known or recognizable as "Legion" in distinction from any random Chaos Warband, large or small?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

The Chaos Space Marines embraced the idea of following the biggest, meanest, "alpha" around. Sure, a Demon-Primarch like Angron is a pretty big deal, so he'd likely collect a big following. The loyalty of his followers wouldn't last 5 seconds however, if something bigger, badder came along to claim dominance of the warband. Just like any Chaos Lord/Daemon Prince.

He collected 50,000 Khorne Bezerkers. Where's his Slaaneshi Warriors then?

His Nurgle?

How about some Sorcerers, he must want himself some Sorcerers for his War.

No? Only Khornate Berzerkers and World Eaters?

Every Single Last One of them was for Khorne, not some mish-mash hippie renegade group who believes in including everyone. I highly doubt that any Emperors Children or Slaanesh troops would follow him.

Because occasionally there are horrible brain-farts like the Dominion-of-Fire-stuff in the 40K-fluff. Just use your brain, ignore it and move on.

Luckly, I think they got rid off all the atrocious 3rd and 4th Edition Codex writers with the (sigh) exception of Phil Kelly, and 40K fluff improved greatly since.