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Does an attack dealing 1 Instant Death wound deal an additional 1d3 wounds or is the 1d3 inflicted instead of the single wound?

Is the Gargantuan creature allowed to take FNP rolls against the 1d3 wounds?

Without dissecting the Rules involved, sorry don't have them on hand right now, I would lean towards an additional 1d3 from the instant death Rule. The original wound, with this rule attached to it, still exists unless it states to disregard the original wound and replace it with 1d3 wounds. If so, then it wouldn't be much of a question to bring to this forum. This leads me to conclude that the number of wounds suffered by the creature would be 1+1d3, which I believe is also on par with the Hull Point lost for super-heavy vehicles and the explode result which this Rule appears designed to emulate.

The Feel No Pain is a very good question as I can see it going both ways:
No feel no pain as the original wound was instant death
Feel No Pain because the additional wounds lack the instant death rule

Others want to throw in on that?

"Any attack that normally inflicts Instant Death or says that the target model is removed from play inflicts D3 Wounds on a Gargantuan Creature or Flying Gargantuan Creature instead."

Prince Raven,
Thank you for posting the Rule as that does make it easier for me to dissect... or at least I thought it would have.

I've encountered the interesting problem that could be the core of the issue the Original Poster encountered, leading to this thread, and that is with how the sentence is formatted. This 'Instead' could still be referring to the Instant Death Special Rule itself, as that could easily be the subject of the sentence. The Authors use of the the word attack at the start of the sentence, in such a reading, is because Instant Death can not be applied to an enemy model directly and it is usually an attack which does so. It is also quite possible to give it a strict reading, which would mean the entire attack is inflict 1d3 wounds and the original wound is discarded.

Does lead to some interesting thoughts though:
An activated force weapon would normally inflict instant death, but that requires an unsaved wound to be inflicted first, so what happens in the Catch 22 situation where that Wound is discarded?
If I want to be 'that ******* guy' how can someone prevent me from replacing the entire attack, including To Hit and To Wound rolls, with just generating 1d3 wounds?

As far as fnp I would treat it exactly like aneternal warrior model. If I remember correctly there is a faq stating no fnp for models even if they have EW.

I don't think it counts as instant death anymore. They're one to three individual wounds now.


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JinxDragon wrote:
Prince Raven,
I've encountered the interesting problem that could be the core of the issue the Original Poster encountered, leading to this thread, and that is with how the sentence is formatted. This 'Instead' could still be referring to the Instant Death Special Rule itself, as that could easily be the subject of the sentence. The Authors use of the the word attack at the start of the sentence, in such a reading, is because Instant Death can not be applied to an enemy model directly and it is usually an attack which does so. It is also quite possible to give it a strict reading, which would mean the entire attack is inflict 1d3 wounds and the original wound is discarded.

An activated force weapon would normally inflict instant death, but that requires an unsaved wound to be inflicted first, so what happens in the Catch 22 situation where that Wound is discarded?

I'd honestly have them roll another die. They're guaranteed one wound with the possibility of up to two more. It's like if you got hit by Distort.

Edit: reroll was poor word choice, since you're not rerolling to wound. Just rolling a die to see how many wounds you'd do from the attack.

Unseeablething wrote:
I don't think it counts as instant death anymore. They're one to three individual wounds now.

Whether or not it kills the model outright, the attack still has the ID special rule and as such denies FNP.

U cant roll fnp against instant death. No matter if charakter or model is immune to instant death.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
"Any attack that normally inflicts Instant Death or says that the target model is removed from play inflicts D3 Wounds on a Gargantuan Creature or Flying Gargantuan Creature instead."

I read this as "instead of inflicting an instant death wound, D3 wounds (that are not instant death) are inflicted." Meaning FNP would be taken against them.

 Leonus wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
"Any attack that normally inflicts Instant Death or says that the target model is removed from play inflicts D3 Wounds on a Gargantuan Creature or Flying Gargantuan Creature instead."

I read this as "instead of inflicting an instant death wound, D3 wounds (that are not instant death) are inflicted." Meaning FNP would be taken against them.

That is how I interpreted this as well. Because it cannot inflict instant death (as it would remove the GC), it does d3 wounds to it instead, which would allow for FNP saves against those D3 wounds.

Happyjew wrote:

Unseeablething wrote:
I don't think it counts as instant death anymore. They're one to three individual wounds now.

Whether or not it kills the model outright, the attack still has the ID special rule and as such denies FNP.

Leonus wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
"Any attack that normally inflicts Instant Death or says that the target model is removed from play inflicts D3 Wounds on a Gargantuan Creature or Flying Gargantuan Creature instead."

I read this as "instead of inflicting an instant death wound, D3 wounds (that are not instant death) are inflicted." Meaning FNP would be taken against them.

That's why I said it the way I did, it looks like it loses the instant death in lieu of gaining more wounds. That way you can use the FNP. The Hierophant is said to be nearly impossible to take down, playing it with the FNP would show it well.

Clearly the d3 wounds cannot be Instant Death, because if they were they would inflict d3 wounds instead.

So is it a D3 and + 1 for the original wound or just the d3?

The d3 wounds are instead of the original wound, so only d3.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
"Any attack that normally inflicts Instant Death or says that the target model is removed from play inflicts D3 Wounds on a Gargantuan Creature or Flying Gargantuan Creature instead."

This does not affect the fact that you cannot take FNP against an attack that would cause instant death. EW do not get a bonus because they can't be killed instantly.

... Que?

 PrinceRaven wrote:
... Que?

Was addressing OP, not disagreeing with you.

Sorry.