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At 120pts Eradicators are seriously cheap AV14. But are they worth it? Their Nova Cannon seems nice, but only AP4 seems it may not be super threatening. At the same time, the Nova Cannon is Heavy, not Ordnance, which means you can whack on some sponsons too. This gives them more flexibility than a lot of the other varients, but I can't decide what sponsons would compliment the the main weapon best.

In my eyes there are 2 different loadouts to use with the eradicator. The first is to go full-deny cover. Replace hullbolter with heavy flamer. Take Side Sponson Heavy flamers. Thats 3 Heavy Flamer templates, and your main gun. Anything that relies on cover will be in for a beating. The problem with this loadout is that the flamers won't be used until the enemy has come to within the comfortable range of the main gun.

Basically, I would use this loadout agains hordes of orks & nids and just drive it up to murder as much as I can.

The second loadout would be full heavy bolters. Heavy bolters have the same AP as the Nova Cannon, giving you a 36" large blast in addition to 9 HB shots. This loadout will be better at digging out guardians, firewarriors, Guardsmen, Veterans and Stormtroopers. In fact, considering that Stormtroopers don't have access to any personal weapons that exceed 24" range, Eradicators would the one of the best loadouts to kill them.

The problem here is against MEQ/TEQ you'd be losing too much of your firepower. If you KNOW you'll be playing against guard/stormtroopers, have fun.

They were worth the points even when they cost 160. However, ignore cover orders made them not mandatory. Still good tanks if you need to take someone out of a ruin.

I run it as part of allied ig force with my orkses.

Pask Punisher (2xMM, LC, Dozer) + Eradicator(2xHB, Dozer).

Don't see how heavyflamers are gona be of any use on a 6' moving tank with 10 back armor.

 Corinthius wrote:
At 120pts Eradicators are seriously cheap AV14. But are they worth it? Their Nova Cannon seems nice, but only AP4 seems it may not be super threatening. At the same time, the Nova Cannon is Heavy, not Ordnance, which means you can whack on some sponsons too. This gives them more flexibility than a lot of the other varients, but I can't decide what sponsons would compliment the the main weapon best.

Why is AP4 not super threatening? With the amount of S6AP3 flying around, everyone's already taking either 2+ saves (very rare) or 4+ or worse saves because it's so goddamn cheap. 3 Eradicators with or without sponsons is between 360 and 420 points and is guaranteed to knock out most light infantry squads and be very capable of dinting enemy infantry, even with a 3+ save.

Now, we get to the comparsions.

Eradicators and Wyverns vie for the same role, dealing with infantry.

First, let's get some facts down:

- Both ignore cover
- The Wyvern is more accurate
- The Wyvern is more damaging to infantry (Better Vs. T3)
- The Eradicator is better against vehicles and monsters and heavy infantry (T4-8, AV10/11)
- The wyvern hits more times, mitigating its lower wound chances. (What all this means is that while the eradicator may be more likely (by about 23%) to wound T6 once, the Wyvern gets four cracks at it, making it more likely to do something.)
- The Eradicator dies less
- The wyvern has the rage over the eradicator

So for 190 points you can get 5 Wyverns or 3 Eradicators for 360 points.

You're looking at 20 small blasts with a 44% of scattering 4", with each consecutive blast having bearing on the next or 3 large blasts with a 67% chance of scattering 4", each consecutive blast having no bearing on the next.

The simple fact is that, completeing the same goals, The Wyverns are just better per point. Eradicators are fun, and awesome looking in terms of their cannons, but Wyverns are simply better in the same role.

As a comparsion, assume each blast gets 2 guys (usually it'll hit about 3) and each large blast gets 8 (generous), so 40 hits and 24 consecutively.

T3 you're looking at 36 wounds VS. 20 wounds (36 VS 20 wounds at 6+ saves, 24 VS 20 at 5+ saves, 18 VS 20 at 4+ saves, 12 VS 7 for 3+ saves and 6 VS 3 for 2+ saves)
T4 you're looking at 30 wounds and 20 wounds (30 Vs 20 wounds at 6+ saves, 20 Vs 20 at 5+ saves, 15 Vs 20 at 4+ saves, 10 Vs 7 at 3+ saves and 5 Vs 3 for 2+ saves)
T5 you're looking at 22 wounds and 16 wounds (22 Vs 16 wounds at 6+ saves, 15 Vs 16 at 5+ saves, 11 Vs 16 at 4+ saves, 7 Vs 5 wounds at 3+ saves and 4 Vs 3 at 2+ saves)

After T6 it starts to tip to be on the side of the eradicator, but by that point it doesn't matter - you're not going to be firing these weapons at things with T6, unless you're going up against a lot of wraithguard (which are never run in groups of 8, meaning that the number of hits the blasts did would have to be reduced.

The simple fact is, the two fill the same role, the Wyvern does it better but the eradicator is less likely to die doing it.

Hmm well looking at the math hammer wyverns are definitely well ahead of a naked Eradicator, or even a H.Bolter Eradicator. The last thing to look at I guess is maybe a plasma cannon or multi-melta build? Though I don't know if the versatility would be worth the increased cost, or whether its better to stick with other more focused units to do the same job.

 Corinthius wrote:
Hmm well looking at the math hammer wyverns are definitely well ahead of a naked Eradicator, or even a H.Bolter Eradicator. The last thing to look at I guess is maybe a plasma cannon or multi-melta build? Though I don't know if the versatility would be worth the increased cost, or whether its better to stick with other more focused units to do the same job.

Never mix roles.

Under no circumstances. You will always waste points.

Eradicators go with Heavy Bolters or nothing at all - plasma cannons do not suit it at all.

Definitely full Heavy Bolters.

Well, with an engineseer in tow a tank can fire one gun at a thing and the rest at something else, but the Wyvern is just better. The things the eradicator does more damage to really need a better AP gun or more shots to go down.

The wyvern can be fired from 48" without LoS, which means you can keep them further from harm's way or pick targets that you didn't realize were going to be a problem earlier on that are using terrain to cover them from the eradicator.

I think the Wyvern is great, but it can't hit things on the bottom floor of a ruin. The Eradicator can, for what it's worth. Generally speaking, artillery has done more damage for the Guard, while tanks are tougher. This is still the case for the remaining artillery.

Also remember the hellhound. It is less tough than the others per point, and short range, but it has the most reliable main gun. Also it's a fast attack choice.