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I Get to use my Revenant Titan tomorrow in a team game and I was looking at the rules for his weapons. The game store I play at likes to house rule D weapons to be Str 10 AP1 instant death, Flashbane and Armorbane with re-roll successful invulnerable saves. Is it still better to use Pulsars under this condition or would Sonic Lances turn into the better option?

I have no idea. All I know they must want to use invulnerable save to counter d weapons. Nids would rather have d weapons than the house rules you mentioned.

That's all I know. Sorry for not being much help.

I somehow feel like ill get more bang against armies if they destroy D weapons like that and for the amount of points he costs I was him to do what he is meant to do.

Well since some wise-guy is gonna think that screamerstar is now viable go with the D to at least put a dent in that thing

Do they ingore cover?

They still ignore cover i think but you dont get to roll on the D table as they make them STR10 AP1 Instant death, fleshbane, armorbane and reroll successful invulnerable saves.

I would use pulsars still. There actually much better vs anything thats not Av (because of the ID), but agaisnt av its pretty bad. Make sure to have allot of anti tank in your list

Given that Hose Rule, i dont thinks its even worth the 900 points for a Rev Titan.

I'd still go the Pulsars. It might be a bit less effective at taking out invulnerable saves, but it's still pretty good at wiping out swathes of anything else. It kills anything that's not a vehicle on a 2+ (that's actually BETTER than S: D against monstrous creatures and things with more than 2 wounds). Against vehicles, you're rarely going to fail to penetrate with S10 armourbane and then AP1 means you have a 50% chance of getting an "Explodes!" result anyway (not as good as D which was a 2+, but it's still going to be devastating).

The main negatives will be that it's not really as effective against superheavies and invulnerable saves (which the sonic lances aren't either) .

Yeah so i got there and they decided to modify the rules even further and just make it STR10 AP1 ignores cover... no instant death, no fleshbane, no armorbane, and no re-roll invulnerable saves... needless to say i got my face beat in by every opponent.

 Xerics wrote:
Yeah so i got there and they decided to modify the rules even further and just make it STR10 AP1 ignores cover... no instant death, no fleshbane, no armorbane, and no re-roll invulnerable saves... needless to say i got my face beat in by every opponent.

they CHANGED the rules AFTER you got there?

that is a steaming pile of ...... i mean honestly... they suspected something like a titan would come, then when they saw it wrecked it.. i would have been rather upset

 Xerics wrote:
Yeah so i got there and they decided to modify the rules even further and just make it STR10 AP1 ignores cover... no instant death, no fleshbane, no armorbane, and no re-roll invulnerable saves... needless to say i got my face beat in by every opponent.

Ya thats just not cool

None of them used SD either did they?

There was one person with 4 Imperial Knight Titans but melee D is ok at best but their battle cannons still wreck pretty good and cost less then my titan does...


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 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 Xerics wrote:
Yeah so i got there and they decided to modify the rules even further and just make it STR10 AP1 ignores cover... no instant death, no fleshbane, no armorbane, and no re-roll invulnerable saves... needless to say i got my face beat in by every opponent.

they CHANGED the rules AFTER you got there?

that is a steaming pile of ...... i mean honestly... they suspected something like a titan would come, then when they saw it wrecked it.. i would have been rather upset

Yeah I was upset. I promptly told the store owner that if they were going to make a house rule on stuff they need to stick with it. I also told him that making it only Str 10 AP1 with just ignores cover made them too weak and was not worth the points sink.

I know that feeling.

About a month ago they had a 500 point Iron Man game (just 6 games back to back).
I made a fairly decent TAC list with a total of 7 unit so I wouldn't have all my eggs in one basket. When I show up apparently the TO and 5 of the people in the tournament had a discussion earlier and changed it to 6 games of all purge the alien with no FOC requirements and every board had 6 large LOS blocking terrain pieces with no other cover and all 6 terrain pieces were outside of the deployment areas.

It really sucks when they make changes that they can prepare for and give no heads up to anyone else. For a Destroyer weapon that's pretty piss poor since it will have only a 50% chance to hurt a LandRaider.

 Xerics wrote:
Yeah so i got there and they decided to modify the rules even further and just make it STR10 AP1 ignores cover... no instant death, no fleshbane, no armorbane, and no re-roll invulnerable saves... needless to say i got my face beat in by every opponent.

Someone likes their screamer star.

Just run seerstar and waveserpent spam if they don't want any of the death star killers to be in the game.

yeah I just dropped a bit over $100 for 12 jetbikes that im going to convert into 2 farseers and 10 warlocks... not what i wanted to do but ill use them forever...

Anyone who fields Seer or Screamerstars or any other 2++ rerollable save users has no room to complain when a Shadowsword nukes their unit into ash. Just as no one who spams Leman Russes has room to complain when Wraithknights smash them open like tin cans.

Well fortunately for me with D weapons nerfed how they are where I play I won't have to worry about a shadowsword nuking my stuff.

 Xerics wrote:
Well fortunately for me with D weapons nerfed how they are where I play I won't have to worry about a shadowsword nuking my stuff.

at full StrrD rules your revenant would rape the shadow sword... 4 strD blasts vs 1..

 Xerics wrote:
Well fortunately for me with D weapons nerfed how they are where I play I won't have to worry about a shadowsword nuking my stuff.

That's okay, I'll just use a Stormsword and nuke you with a 10 inch cover ignoring S10 AP1 ordinance blast.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 Xerics wrote:
Well fortunately for me with D weapons nerfed how they are where I play I won't have to worry about a shadowsword nuking my stuff.

at full StrrD rules your revenant would rape the shadow sword... 4 strD blasts vs 1..

Also the Holofields, even with a few shadowswords my money would be on the Revenant.

 Kain wrote:

 Xerics wrote:
Well fortunately for me with D weapons nerfed how they are where I play I won't have to worry about a shadowsword nuking my stuff.

That's okay, I'll just use a Stormsword and nuke you with a 10 inch cover ignoring S10 AP1 ordinance blast.

Still get my 4+ invulnerable save with the reroll