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Still going between choices on races and what kind of army I want to go for, this one has a bit of speed to it as well as some decent dakka. Working from memory as dex is at home but this is at the 2k ballpark I believe.

Farseer with shard and jetbike
Farseer with jetbike
7 bike locks with 4 singing spears

6 jet bikes with 2 cannons
5 rangers
5 rangers
5 da in serpent with scatterlaser and shuri cannons with stones
5 da in serpent with scatterlaser and shuri cannons with stones

2 vypers with scatters and shuri cannons
2 vypers with scatters and shuri cannons
Crimson hunter exarch

3 walkers with scatterlasers and star cannons

Fire prism with holofields

If your going for the Seer council its not going to work with this, you need H&R from the baron, and the trophies from venoms for the re roll psychic tests.

If you don't have/want DE allies the swap the warlocks for shining spears (which are half the cost) take H&R on exarch and target anything without a 2+ armour.

Jetseer Council does work without H&R.
Just not as effective.

Their mobility allows you to avoid tarpit units and they can still chill around buffing your army and poking MC's with their sticks.

The biggest weapon of the Seer Council is the insane survability by 3+ armor, 4+ Inv and constant cover save with psychic buffs. Losing Hit&Run doesn't take that away if you play smartly.

The list looks pretty good!
Are you planning on giving the WRJ a Warlock? They might use one.

Yeah most likely will allocate one to the jetbikes to keep them going strong. The council will mainly hunt av and MCs with lower saves. A lot depends on what powers I roll but I think they will do alright as is

I would drop the Vypers for some Warp Spiders. They are more or less equal against troops, and better against AV.

Remeber, if they get charged by a blob or terminators its over for them.

Warp spiders do have hit and run, and they would be just as dead as vypers. Also warp spiders are harder to catch

But the warlocks can't join the warp spiders so their (being the spiders) H&R doesn't matter.

 Arbiter wrote:
But the warlocks can't join the warp spiders so their (being the spiders) H&R doesn't matter.

??? what?

Why do you want a war lock to join a spider unit? And why does them not being able to join make any difference to hit and run???

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Arbiter wrote:
But the warlocks can't join the warp spiders so their (being the spiders) H&R doesn't matter.

??? what?

Why do you want a war lock to join a spider unit? And why does them not being able to join make any difference to hit and run???

??

I'm lost on this one as well.

Thing that swayed me to vypers over spiders was the fact that they have A) better range and B) don't need to risk a deep strike to do some damage

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
Warp spiders do have hit and run, and they would be just as dead as vypers. Also warp spiders are harder to catch

When I was saying his seer council has no H&R you said spiders do, and would also be just as dead as vypers.

I took this as ninja saying for the farseers and warlocks joining the spiders.