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I've been looking to form a 2500pt list for wood elves.
I've gone a little over the points limit trying to put in everything I want and I could do with some help with 'pruning' and refining the points for a little bit more competitive feel.

Anyway this is what I have so far.

WOOD ELVES ARMY LIST
Army List: 2500pts

LORD Points used: 430pts
HERO Points used: 470pts
---------- 900pts
CORE points used: 980pts
SPECIAL points used: 295pts
RARE points used: 575pts
--- Total points used: 2600pts

LORD
Spellweaver
Lvl4
Talisman of Preservation

Glade Lord
Great Eagle
The Bow of Loren
Armor of Destiny

HERO
Naestra & Arahan

Spellsinger
Lvl 2
Great Eagle
Hail of Doom Arrow

CORE
10x Glade Guard
Swift Shiver Shards

10x Glade Guard
Swift Shiver Shards

10x Glade Guard
Swift Shiver Shards

10x Glade Guard
Swift Shiver Shards

20x Glade Guard
Arcane Bodkins

SPECIAL
x3 Warhawn Riders

x5 Deepwood Scouts
Hagbane Tips

x5 Deepwood Scouts
Hagbane Tips

RARE
Treeman

10x Waywatchers

I was thinking the lvl 4 would use the high lore, and the level 2 that is supposed to fly behind the opponents army to be using the dark lore, though its first task would be to let off a hail of doom arrow into a units back.

I REAALLLY want to include the twins.
I REAAAALLY want to have a treeman, I love the new models.

I like the theme of flying around behind my enemy to be really annoying while they march forward into constant fire.

I took the arrows I have because the 20man unit bunker is most likely to be slammed into by heavy cavalry or a heavily armored unit as it has the lvl 4
I also took the multi-shot arrows simply to double my weight of fire. It's essentially like including an additional model but for only 4pts


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I don't see much point in using banners and stuff, as I'm ultimately expecting anything to make it to my archers lines to beat them hands down. So adding full command would just be a waste of points imo.


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I know I've spent nearly 1000pts on characters, but the damage out put on each one has me believe they will remake their points cost.

Flying in behind the enemy the twins get an insane amount of shooting, almost garunteed to dislodge any kind of artillary.

The level 2's enchanted item is also garunteed to take out artillary again unless I role really bad. Then it also has dark magic from which to hammer away at the rear of the army, as does the Twins get to turn their fire to the rear.

The glade lord is also running 5 shots on his flier to further destroy enemy ranks from behind. And facing 60 glade guard, making 100 shots per turn they have to decide if they want to turn around to try and take care of the fliers, or march onward to try and break my archers lines. Either option most likely going to cost them

Then as some insurance when they get close I have a tree man to hopefully make quick work of whats left of the units that make it toward me.

Don't play Wood Elves, don't play against them either so I'm literally no help.

But even I can see that your Glade Lord is illegal

not sure why the dragon helm is there xD

DO NOT PUT THE TWINS ON AN EAGLE. And remember. They have to be on a mount. So, that means putting them on the dragon.

You need a BSB. Stick the hail of doom on him. His BS makes it more useful. And it doesn't have a set use. Use it when it's the right time.

The twins are on their hunter mount by default, it lets them reroll all missed hits o.o dragon is too expensive points wise D:

Not sure what I need a bsb for though exactly? The reroll on leadership is okay but the leadership is really high o.o


to do that though I have to like, dig out around 300pts of space, and deduct the 100 over already xD I need to cut 400pts from my current list to try and fit in the dragon and a bsb @3@

Your LVL 2 cant take dark magic.

Why not I thought I got to choose what it took? D:

Level 2s can only use the BRB lores.

I have no clue what one of those to take then xO

Take lore of metal, as the biggest weakness will be T4/5/6 & 1+ saves.

 Sasa0mg wrote:
The twins are on their hunter mount by default, it lets them reroll all missed hits o.o dragon is too expensive points wise D:

So, by default, you're making them much easier to kill. As the eagle makes them a single T4, 3 wound model.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
The twins are on their hunter mount by default, it lets them reroll all missed hits o.o dragon is too expensive points wise D:

So, by default, you're making them much easier to kill. As the eagle makes them a single T4, 3 wound model.

Thats not what the book says, it says their seperate. If the mount is killed their placed on foot, if one is killed and the other is still alive the dead counterpart is revived and both are placed back at full wounds.

 Sasa0mg wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
The twins are on their hunter mount by default, it lets them reroll all missed hits o.o dragon is too expensive points wise D:

So, by default, you're making them much easier to kill. As the eagle makes them a single T4, 3 wound model.

Thats not what the book says, it says their seperate. If the mount is killed their placed on foot, if one is killed and the other is still alive the dead counterpart is revived and both are placed back at full wounds.

No. When on a Monstrous Beast, they become Monstrous Cavalry, which makes them a single model. Those are the rules as set by the rulebook. This means, if they're mounted on the eagle and take three wounds, they both die.

And that's how it'll work until an FAQ comes out.

for 275pts I think it might be faq'd in the sisters favor, mostly because it specifically states in a special rule that when the mount is killed they form a unit of their own and are placed on the board.

It doesn't specify that this is purely for the dragon option.


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I can't see that they would go to so much trouble making them specifically seperate characters within a single selection just to allow an over-site like that round them back into being a single model.

Because it also makes their "one can't really die without the other dying" theme a complete waste as well.

 Sasa0mg wrote:
for 275pts I think it might be faq'd in the sisters favor, mostly because it specifically states in a special rule that when the mount is killed they form a unit of their own and are placed on the board.

It doesn't specify that this is purely for the dragon option.


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I can't see that they would go to so much trouble making them specifically seperate characters within a single selection just to allow an over-site like that round them back into being a single model.

Because it also makes their "one can't really die without the other dying" theme a complete waste as well.

That's the problem. Until the FAQ comes out, they're no good on an eagle.

Some things to think about:

Glade Lord pumps out 5 S3 shots a turn for 265 points they will mostly hit on 2s so 4.167 hits a turn for 265 points. 265 points of trueflight Glade Guard do on average 11.78 S3 hits a turn nearly triple the damage output and from Core allowance.

You can't take Dark on Spell Singers Death or Metal would work well in this list. Not convinced High is that great for the list either Hand of Glory being the only spell that really gells with the list. Shadow for me would be the better choice with the Withering being brutal, Okams makes your bunker scary in combat (or indeed any unit) Pendulum and Pit help do damage and Melkoths helps against other shooty armies and with slowing down your enemy whilst between the Lore attribute and steed you can get your Lvl4 out of sticky situations.

Also I'd consider moving the Hail of Doom arrow to the Lord if you keep him or to a BsB if you take one of those instead (and you should.) High leadership is good but rerolls are so powerful particularly with the amount of fleeing you're likely to be doing.

The double shot arrows generally aren't worth it. They look attractive for 4 points doubling your shots but then you remember you get an additional -1 to hit. So at long range you get the same hits from Trueflight (1 shot hitting on 3+ compared to 2 hitting on 5+). Add in moving and/or cover and the Trueflights just get better and better and they are cheaper! Also don't spend more than 625 points in core, once you've hit that take Scouts over more glade guard. You get -1 to people shooting at you, the ability to deploy last and wherever the hell you want and the ability to march and shoot all for 1 point!

Also currently you autolose Blood & Glory turn 1 as you only have 2 fortitude in the list. So some standards wouldn't be a terrible idea.

Warhawk riders are massively inferior to Wild Riders. Always take Wild Riders first. Nearly as manoeuvrable and hit twice as hard.

Treeman needs a buddy or probably to be dropped. He doesn't really fit the list idea you're going for.

Waywatchers should be split to 2 x 5 men units. More manoeuvrable and allows you to split your firepower better. Only take Waywatchers in units of 10 if you're taking 20 Waywatchers.

Thanks for the feedback >w<

So I've taken some of the advice, though some I struggled to do.
In order for me to take the dragon on the sisters I needed to find more points. I removed the lord but because of the strain that now placed on the heroes selection I only had enough points for one more character and was generally forced to decide between a lvl2 caster running death or metal to deal with toughness 5 or higher, OR a BSB for rerolls. Given that 90% of this list's damage is strength 3 or lower I had to go for the toughness 5 and up killer >.< Atleast that comes across as the obvious choice.

The bunker for the level 4 is now a bit more obvious, its the one with the banner in. I had to do this to make up core value.
Added more scouts, removed the hawk riders. Split up the waywatchers also.

I have 100pts left to spend, was considering getting the treeman perhaps those buddies you mentioned, able to afford either a unit of 10 dryads or 3 treekin.

(while im not going for a tournament competitive list I do still want to win my battles xD so the help is very much appreciated.)

Updated list

WOOD ELVES ARMY LIST
Army List: 2500pts

LORD Points used: 265pts
HERO Points used: 610pts
---------- 875pts
CORE points used: 630pts
SPECIAL points used: 320pts
RARE points used: 575pts
--- Total points used: 2400pts

LORD
Spellweaver
Lvl4
Talisman of Preservation

HERO
Naestra & Arahan
Ceithin-Har

Spellsinger
Lvl2

CORE
10x Glade Guard
True Flight Arrows

10x Glade Guard
True Flight Arrows

10x Glade Guard
True Flight Arrows

10x Glade Guard
Arcane Bodkins
Standard Bearer

SPECIAL
x5 Deepwood Scouts
Hagbane Tips or True Flight Arrows?

x5 Deepwood Scouts
Hagbane Tips or True Flight Arrows?

x5 Deepwood Scouts
Hagbane Tips or True Flight Arrows?

x5 Deepwood Scouts
Hagbane Tips or True Flight Arrows?

RARE
Treeman

5x Waywatchers

5x Waywatchers

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Did I mention I despise the forest dragon?
I'll have to mount the sisters on this

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/CARMINE_DRAGON.html

And use it in place of the forest dragon. I don't think anyone would mind? It'l still fit on the same base I'm sure.

I'm not sure about your meta but as long as you aren't playing in a super competitive environment with a bunch of d-bag players, it shouldn't be a problem as long as the base size matches what the model should be mounted on. Plus the model you linked to looks REALLY REALLY cool! Couple that with the new Wood elf models and you are gonna have one fine display army to take to tourneys.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
The twins are on their hunter mount by default, it lets them reroll all missed hits o.o dragon is too expensive points wise D:

So, by default, you're making them much easier to kill. As the eagle makes them a single T4, 3 wound model.

Thats not what the book says, it says their seperate. If the mount is killed their placed on foot, if one is killed and the other is still alive the dead counterpart is revived and both are placed back at full wounds.

No. When on a Monstrous Beast, they become Monstrous Cavalry, which makes them a single model. Those are the rules as set by the rulebook. This means, if they're mounted on the eagle and take three wounds, they both die.

And that's how it'll work until an FAQ comes out.

But that doesn't mean that is how it will be played. Assuming this isn't for competitive play then i know most gaming groups should be fine with using the Twins as intended, as having two separate profiles. That is how i will play it and will continue to play it, i won't let GW's infamously badly written rules ruin a very fun and fluffy special character.

As for your list, i would suggest swapping Shiver Shards to either Trueflight or Hagbane. Shiver Shards suffer far to much from negative modifiers, long range and -1's at the very least usually. I would also suggest you dropping the Glade Lord, he is doing nothing for your army apart from dishing out inspiring presence. His points would be much smarter placed elsewhere.