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Ok so I run nids,
I have some flyrants... and a harpy.
this combo of rules doesnt make much sense

HOW do I use jink on an FMC?
It seems pointless to give us BOTH of those rules....

When I am HIT (not even wounded... wtf mate) I have to take a grounding test.
1/3 of those I will fail (statistically speaking, sometimes it feels like 100% lol)
so I wont even be able to use jink right?

do I have that right? I can only use jink, if I am swooping (or whatever fast movement is called) if I am HIT but do not fail my grounding test, then it has to WOUND me, THEN if I need to take my jink against the weapon I can?

You take your grounding test from the unit after the hit/wound has been resolves to my knowledge. So the save can indeed be incredibly useful.

You get hit by lascannon

He Wounds

You opt to Jink and thus get a save

Pass said save you dont take a wound but need a grounding test.

Fail you take a wound AND need a grounding test

The grounding test is after you resolved the shooting attack. So, two different situations:

1. Pathfinders shoot Markerlights at an FMC. At least 1 hits. As Markerlights do not cause Wounds, no saves are taken, and you resolve the Grounding test.

2. A squad of Dark Reapers shoot at an FMC. At least 1 hits, and at least 1 Wounds. FMC declares Dive, and gains the Jink special rule, giving him a cover save against the Wounds. After resolving the Wounds, the FMC resolves the Grounding test.

hmm I dont have my rule book on me but I could have sworn I take a grounding test if I am even HIT. It doesnt HAVE to wound.
a bunch of marines firing bolters in to the air at me, one gets lucky and tags me on a 6 BAM i could indeed fall from the sky. regardless of if it wounded me...





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hmm ok so

I am hit, resolve the wound,

I AM wounded, Jink Save, STILL take grounding test
I am wounded Jink fails, STILL take grounding test?
I am hit NOT wounded no jink needed, STILL take grounding test?

Shadowmyth515 wrote:
hmm I dont have my rule book on me but I could have sworn I take a grounding test if I am even HIT. It doesnt HAVE to wound.
a bunch of marines firing bolters in to the air at me, one gets lucky and tags me on a 6 BAM i could indeed fall from the sky. regardless of if it wounded me...

If you get hit, you have to resolve the Grounding test, however, the test itself is not resolved until after resolving the unit's shooting.

Shadowmyth515 wrote:
hmm I dont have my rule book on me but I could have sworn I take a grounding test if I am even HIT. It doesnt HAVE to wound.
a bunch of marines firing bolters in to the air at me, one gets lucky and tags me on a 6 BAM i could indeed fall from the sky. regardless of if it wounded me...

That's correct.

But you still don't roll the grounding test until after you've determined the wound - so you can still Jink for a cover save to see if you take the ound.

awesome OK ty.

 Happyjew wrote:
2. A squad of Dark Reapers shoot at an FMC. At least 1 hits, and at least 1 Wounds. FMC declares Dive, and gains the Jink special rule, giving him a cover save against the Wounds. After resolving the Wounds, the FMC resolves the Grounding test.

Off topic but Dark Reapers ignore Jink saves, so no point in declaring a dive/Jink for FMC and flyers respectively.

Kaela_Mensha_Khaine wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
2. A squad of Dark Reapers shoot at an FMC. At least 1 hits, and at least 1 Wounds. FMC declares Dive, and gains the Jink special rule, giving him a cover save against the Wounds. After resolving the Wounds, the FMC resolves the Grounding test.

Off topic but Dark Reapers ignore Jink saves, so no point in declaring a dive/Jink for FMC and flyers respectively.

Yeah I forgot about that. Poor example. Though my point still stands. And as a minor nit-pick (just to return the favour of course), Flyers do not Jink, they Evade, which like Diving gives them the Jink special rule.

Next edition you only take one groundhog test per phase, as well it has to wound not just hit.


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Well grounding rather then groundhog lol