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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/18 00:59:45
Subject: Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Hey, I just started with WHFB and started making an Empire army and I wanna ask if this list is any good.
Lords
Battle Wizard Lord lvl 4 /w Warhorse, Dispel scroll -243 pts
General /w Pegasus (Iron-hard hooves, Swift as a wind), Full-plate armour, Enchanted shield, Lance - 176pts
419pts
Heroes
Captain-BSB, Full plate armour, shield, lance, barded warhorse -116 pts
Master Engineer - 65pts
Master Engineer - 65pts
246pts
Core
Handgunnersx16 /w Full command, champ has repeater handgun -184pts
Knightly Orders Inner circle x12 /w Full command -330 pts
Knightly Orders Inner Circle x12 /w Full command -330pts
844pts
Special
Demigryph knights x6 /w Full command -376pts
Great Cannon -120 pts
Great Cannon - 120pts
618pts
Rare
Hellblaster -120pts
Steam Tank -250pts
370 pts
2497pts
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/05/18 01:14:19
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/18 02:39:43
Subject: Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Looks good, though you can drop 1 engineer as the cannons don't really need it. With points left you can add more handguns/gear.
I recommend after dropping the engineer to take cloak of ulric and sword of striking on the captain (drop the lance)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/18 09:25:35
Subject: Re:Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Why sword of striking?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/18 17:28:49
Subject: Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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You can only have one unit of inner circle knights if I am not mistaken?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/18 20:55:10
Subject: Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
United States of America
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@Archilus
Because +1 to hit is just great.
@Luke
That is correct, that gives him 36 points to spend elsewhere
@OP
After all is said and done what you want is,
1) a 4++ on your wizard lord
2) some kind of ward save on your BSB
I recommend talisman of 4++ on wizard lord and armour of destiny on the BSB costing 95pts total, 65 from engineer, 36 from inner circle, there you go!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/19 15:33:14
Subject: Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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I would drop the standard in the handgunners, as this is useful in melee; and when they're in melee then they're done for (since they got no armour and usually no more than 2 ranks)
Repeater handgun is a fancy bit of tech, but I'd personally go with a long rifle, just to sniper characters here and there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/19 16:23:03
Subject: Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Arbiter wrote:@Archilus
Because +1 to hit is just great.
@Luke
That is correct, that gives him 36 points to spend elsewhere
@ OP
After all is said and done what you want is,
1) a 4++ on your wizard lord
2) some kind of ward save on your BSB
I recommend talisman of 4++ on wizard lord and armour of destiny on the BSB costing 95pts total, 65 from engineer, 36 from inner circle, there you go!
I had no idea I can only have one unit of inner circle knights (Must´ve missed it in the army book). If I drop the 36 points from cores I will only have 808 points in them, which means I will have to add two more gunners, or an extra knight first so it´s 25%. Anyway thanks for all the suggestions
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/19 18:47:59
Subject: Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Powerful Chaos Warrior
Reading, UK
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25% of 2500 is 625pts so thats your minimum core
I would try to get at least 1 warrior priest in there on horsey. Split demigryphs into 2x3 instead of 1x6 as it gives more threat options.
You can also try and fit the general on a gryphon makes his bubble 18"
The BSB does need a ward save. I would reccommend giving the wizard lore of light as this works really well with empire.
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ULTRAMARINES LIVE LONGER WITH CALGAR!
Blood Angels-2000pts
Tau-1000pts
Empre: 2400pts
Warriors of Chaos: 2000pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/19 19:38:22
Subject: Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Oh yea, for some reason I thought its 825.
Gryphon does sound nice, but its pretty pricy..though I do love the model
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/19 19:44:23
Subject: Empire 2500pts - Is this any good?
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Dakka Veteran
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I assume you want to run the wizard with a unit of knights, but what will you do if he miscasts and blow up your whole fancy unit? I would simply switch mounts for the general and the wizard.
Drop the banner on the Demigryphs: if you fail combat and break, you lose your banner, meaning you lose a whole Demigryph knight. That hurts.
I would probably drop the handgunners completely, as well as dropping an Engineer. This, plus the points you save from downgrading one unit to regular knights will free up some points so you can get at least one Warrior Priest (hatred is really nice with knights because you want those s6 charges to hit!)
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