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Made in ca
Foolproof Falcon Pilot




Ontario, Canada

The Helmock gets Terrify, not Horrify. It is a telepathy power, and so the argument is that they should get the Primaris, psychic shriek, because 100% of their powers come from that tree, and grey knights get their primaris from powers they did not "generate".

I, myself, am still unconvinced. While there IS a precedent for the situation, there is still no SOLID RAW granting them the primaris. I could see it being ruled either way, tbh.

EDIT: Upon further inspection, in the rulebook units already knowing a power is listed under "Generating Psychic Powers", and it then says "otherwise they generate a random power. to randomly generate a power...." Since it always includes the word "random" when describing how to generate random powers, this leads me to believe that there are two ways of "generating" powers. "Automatically", and "Randomly". Using this reasoning, it does seem like the Wraithfighter gets the primaris, Shriek as "Automatic generation" still counts as generation. This is obviously open to different interpretations though.

Upon further further inspection - the wording of terrify has changed to possibly cause TWO morale tests. One at the end of your psychic phase and one at the end of your opponent's psychic phase. YMDC thread started on this here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/597517.page

This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2014/05/29 02:54:09


 
Made in ca
Foolproof Falcon Pilot




Ontario, Canada

Theorius - it does not say "if your powers come from one discipline". it says "if your powers are *generated* from one discipline". The confusion comes from what the word "generate" means. Does it mean you have to roll for them? if so then powers known automatically are not generated. they are already known, and therefore are unaffected by psychic focus.
Made in ca
Foolproof Falcon Pilot




Ontario, Canada

My post just before yours brings up the "automatic generation" point as well. But it is far from being solid RAW.

their main reasoning is that it says "sometimes psykers will know a power. OTHERWISE, they *generate* random powers". The word 'otherwise' implying that the two are mutually exclusive and the fact that the word "generate" is only used in one of the two options leads people to believe that automatically knowing powers is not generating powers.

There are points to both sides, and I personally cannot dismiss either side of the argument. It is definitely a grey area open to interpretation, and interpretations always vary.
Made in ca
Foolproof Falcon Pilot




Ontario, Canada

Another valid point, also brought up in my post just before your original. Still - there IS room for doubt, as is common in GW rules. Personally, I will play they they do indeed get the primaris, but I will gladly roll off for "most important rule" if my opponent wants to argue otherwise.
 
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