(This should probably be in
YMDC, but since it's relevant, I'll rant here)
There are only 2 Conditions that any player needs to check for when making an 'Unbound' List.
1) Is it a Unit?
2) Is it Unique?
I've been noticing that a silly idea has sunk in to a few players thinking, that units that are conditional upon the presence of another unit/character still can't be taken in an 'Unbound' list. The most common ones being Warlocks, Royal Courts, and Tyrant Guard. All of these units do not take up a
FoC slot and can't normally be taken w/o their respective
HQ units. ie. You can only have 1 Royal Court for every Necron Overlord in your army. Until 'Unbound' this also meant that 'You can ONLY have a single Royal Court for every Necron Overlord you bring'. Taking a 'Rules are permissive' stance, many have gotten (or failed to get it out of their heads), that the 'Unbound' Rules don't give permission go circumvent this restriction.
Unbound Armies (pg.117)
...simply use whichever units from your collection you want.
This is ALL the permission needed to allow players to bring whichever units they want, however they want. Yes it DOES need an
FAQ, but until it arrives, armies that want to bring units like these w/o their 'parent' have every right to do so in an 'Unbound' army. That's the point of an 'Unbound' army. The minute anyone says 'Well you CAN'T bring that because you don't have the other thing', then you are in direct violation of a printed rule. You're trying to tell him he can't bring whichever units from his collection that he wants to, when the rule right there says he can.
The 'Fuzzy' units.
To be fair, there exists a few 'fuzzy' unit entries in this game. Enhanced Warriors, Plague Zombies, Pyrrhian Eternals are the three that come to mind. These are units that do 'exist', but unlike other units they do not contain their own entry, or are even mentioned anywhere outside of the character requirements. Other than that, they are separate units, that do operate independently of their 'parent', so they do in fact exist. They are not 'Unique' and will most likely exist is peoples collection, despite not having their own models or attributes. In relation to the 'Unbound' rules, lets use 'Plague Zombies' as an example. A Chaos Marine player has 2 units of Plague Zombies in his collection. He really wants to use them in his Death Guard army, but because of the points he can't afford to also bring Typhus, so can he bring them w/o bringing Typhus? The answer w/o question is 'YES'. The minute he does so though, the army becomes 'Unbound' and he loses all of the 'Battle-Forged' benefits. The same would apply to Pyrrhian Eternals, and in this list, the 'Enhanced'
CSM's. These units are not 'Unique', and it is well within the rules, and the spirit of the game to allow players to have fun and try these lists out.
While I do understand the rage that players are expressing toward 'Unbound' armies, I rapidly coming to the conclusion that it's the 'Battle-Forged' lists that are going to bring the more anguished cries. Demon spam, and Eldar/Dk Eldar being the most prominent right now. Restricting tournaments to 'Battle-Forged' only, isn't going to change or prevent these type of lists from showing up, and possibly even eliminates armies that might be better equipped to deal with them. It's still too early to tell. I'm still optimistic that the 'Unbound' rules will create and even more Rock/Paper/Scissors gap, and no matter what army you play you're going to eventually come across one you can't deal with. This alone makes Tournaments risky since the winner could easily be someone that was fortunate enough to NOT play his Achilles heel. If the odds of running into your unbeatable opponent went up, then we can go back to playing our armies the way we want, have fun, and not blame our own skill for a bad match-up. I feel that this is an acceptable way that
GW has chosen to deal with the powerhouse lists that become common.
Still, I won't be surprised if I rarely see 'Unbound' tournaments. Restricting Zombie Hordes, or Pyrrhian Eternal lists, or a Fabius list in a 'Unbound' tournament because their characters aren't present or they can only take one of something is unthinkable, and unacceptable.
The idea of an 'Illegal Unbound' list just sounds like an oxymoron without even looking at the rules.
If I missed a rule regarding 'Unbound' lists, which is possible,
pls give me a
pg reference.
/Rant off
Now back to the comments on the actual list.
@ Dragon11
This list is 'Unbound', it has to be in order to get more than one unit of 'Enhanced Warriors', which is why it doesn't fit in a normal
FOC, and I would be subject to Fabius being present, and only getting one unit of 'Enhanced Warriors'. I'm choosing to give up the bonuses of a 'Battle-Forged' list to be able to play the army the way I used to play. TRUE, that I no longer have to pay the 3pts per model for it and they no longer kill themselves off. I'll admit that I'm essentially taking the +1S and
Fearless for free, but I will only be able to score objectives if the unit is uncontested. This is a HUGE drawback, since we've already agreed to play a Maelstrom mission. If it was about winning, then all my opponent would have to do is bring a 'Battle-Forged' list, and I will NEVER be able to stop him from taking his objectives. Since this is our first 7th ed. game, we're going to see, rather than sit and theorize, the effects of it. If he brings an 'Unbound' list, then it should be quite entertaining.
I didn't have to bring Fabius or the Slannesh Sorc, but I wanted to keep in the spirit of the original list and keep some connection to the Fluff. Fabius was a member of the 'Emperors Children' so it made sense that Fabius would have easiest access to one of his former Battle Brothers in his Legion. Necrons are my main army, so I have ZERO experience with actually taking Psychic Powers. At a glance, the Slannesh powers seem to really benefit an army like this. The Sorceror is there to support the army, and not the other way around. This probably stems from playing Necrons, where I don't see
HQ's being the powerhouses, so my natural inclination is avoid anything that would beef him up vs. helping the army.
The Slannesh powers seem to work fine. I automatically get the Primaris now, and can use it on a different unit, so this won't force me to use the rest of the unit on the same thing. Hysterical Frenzy would be AWESOME since the units are already at +1
Str. Symphony of pain would only have a minor impact until I got into combat, but wouldn't be a complete loss. Ecstatic Seizures is pretty decent now for the same reason as the Primaris, I can use it on a different unit w/o affecting what I want to do with the unit that the Sorc is attached to.
I missed the blurb about only being able to take up to 1/2 of the available powers from this list, so I was wrong about being able to get access to all the powers on a list as I stated above. I think an
FAQ is desperately needed on this now, since marked Sorcerers auto get the Primaris, so do they still have to roll at least one (I say yes). Does the Primaris count toward the limit of powers that can be taken from the Chaos powers? (I say no). Does the Primaris count
AS the roll on the table? (I still say no), but it WOULD allow
CSM players to not be forced to take one of the aligned powers that they want.
My opponent has agreed to let me roll them all, but since we're not playing yet, what other table would you recommend for my 2nd(3rd power)? I HONESTLY have no experience in this field, and even when this list was legal, I didn't run Sorcerors.
As for 'spamming' the best units. You'd be correct if I wanted to BUILD an 'Unbound' list to take advantage of the freedom. I'm not trying to build a broken list, I'm trying to put my army back on the table.
