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Chaos Space Marines Primary Detachment:

Daemon Prince - 275
MoN, Wings, Level 3 Psyker

Daemon Prince - 275
MoN, Wings, Level 3 Psyker

10 Cultists - 50

10 Cultists - 50

Heldrake - 170
Baleflamer

Heldrake - 170
Hades Autocannon

5 Spawn - 180
MoN

Triple Las Pred - 145

Triple Las Pred - 145

Allied Deamons -

Herald - 95
Psyker Level 3

Herald - 95
Psyker Level 3

11 Pink Horrors - 99

Total - 1749

The list is pretty straightforward. Sit back with your preds and heralds/horrors while your nurgle princes fly around summoning stuff to hold objectives. The spawn slip in under the radar and can do a number to vehicles / anything vulnerable they try to hide. It's a balance between a gunline and the all out daemon factories that everyone is building.

I ran a similarish list to this yesterday except I spent more points on troops than cultists and had less AT. Ran it twice against a similar daemon factory list, game one forced a turn 2 concede with a bit of luck, game 2 was a nailbiter to turn 7 that I lost due to failing to summon some guys for a last turn objective grab. I was overall happy, but trimmed the fat and added more AT as I struggled taking out rhinos and vindicators... I shudder at the thought of running that list into land raiders or more robust vehicles.

I'm considering dropping the spawns and the second prince for more long range guns / allied horrors. Thoughts?

I don't know much about CSM...but it looks "OK" to me. The Troops look danger tiny, but I assume that is because you plan on summoning Troops as you go? Isn't there some sort of sacrifice dagger relic that CSM can get? I'd at least take a look at it...(I believe it seriously boosts summoning some way...)

I agree that in 7Th AT is a must have slot. I would look at losing the spawn, and spending the points elsewhere...

Yeah. Basically if you can drop 10 plagues onto each of the objectives on the last turn, who cares how skimpy your list's starting troops are?

The dimensional key is what I think you're thinking of and it's REALLY bad. You have to kill something w/ the character and then you don't scatter in a 12" bubble. Cursed Earth is easier to obtain from Malefic powers and is just better IMO.

You can't take two Heralds in an allied detachment anymore, so you'd need another Daemon troop to call it two allied detachments and keep it legal.

Fenrirs is right. You need to drop the second herald. The points can go on an exalted gift or more horrors/ cultists. Everyone is going for 11 as the magic number, but theres no reason no to go to 16 for warp charge 3

That frees up 105 points, which means another squad of 11 horrors. Alternatively I could also drop the spawns from the primary detachment and have ~300 points to play with instead and get more toys.

The new FAQ states you can have 4 Heralds in any detachment by selecting the Heralds of Chaos HQ option.

So put him back in!

Awesome. Also according to the FAQ, Ahriman can use the same witchfire 3 times in a phase AND is level 4 psyker AND is cheaper than the flying princes.

Thoughts on dropping a prince for ahriman, dropping the daemons contingent, upgrading the cultists to 1k sons in rhinos, and dropping the 1 baleflamer back to a hades?

maybe there is a list to be built around psychic shriek.

Things off the top of my head that lower leadership

Crimson slaughter warlord trait 2,

Fiends of slanesh.

Shadow in the warp (legitimate allies..)

I'm just going to point out that a triple Lascannon Predator costs 140 pts.