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Hot dayum! The Exalted Flamer is now a Herald that can be chosen as one of the 4 that makes up a single HQ choice!

What does this mean for our lists?!

From what I first and foremost understand, an Exalted Flamer can be taken as an HQ choice as one of the 4 Heralds that can be chosen. Technically, you can now run 4 Exalted flamers (Who come with their nifty Pink and Blue Fires of Tzeentch spells!) for 1 HQ slot then run 3 as heavy support. Effectively giving you 7D3 str 9 ap 2 shots from Blue Fire :O

I'm excited, probably more than I should be, but it's shooti! And doesn't require a psychic test of any sort! It's Daemon Shooti, that isn't a Psychic ability?! :O

To bad both of those weapons are Heavy, and it's not relentless.

The problem is that those weapons are heavy weapons so without a Slow and Purposeful model in that squad you're stuck hoping someone moves within 18" of you.

You could try to get Endurance with a Daemon Prince or Nurgle Psyker for Relentless but it is a bit of a stretch to pull off.

It is a nice addition to have though in fairness.

an you put him on a chariot? then you get relentless.

I didn't even see that XD Also noting that they model is clearly listed as Infantry and not Jetbike (Oversight?) which means they move 6" =/

Now I'm sad


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 Gangrel767 wrote:
an you put him on a chariot? then you get relentless.

It sadly seems they cannot take a Chariot or for that matter, any upgrades at all from the entry they are providing.

Well, he is on a burning chariot in the Heavy support section...

And...now you have a Zoanthrope.

 ductvader wrote:
And...now you have a Zoanthrope.

What are you talking about?

Zopes have a S10, AP2 gun with an 18" range. They get laughably outranged by anything they might want to shoot it at and aren't fast enough to outmaneuver their targets.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Zopes have a S10, AP2 gun with an 18" range. They get laughably outranged by anything they might want to shoot it at and aren't fast enough to outmaneuver their targets.

24' isn't that bad. I would say the range is the least of the issues concerned with Zoeys now.

It's really a completely different situation, and the comparison is not relevant.

The Exalted Flamer doesn't seem to have access to anything BUT his list entry atm. (Which I'd hope will get fixed) Can't take lesser/greater/exalted rewards, can't take a chariot like his counterpart, is listed as Infantry(? Why isn't he a jetbike like all the other flamers? Did his rise in power and status within the daemon realms make him fat and slower?)

GoliothOnline wrote:
The Exalted Flamer doesn't seem to have access to anything BUT his list entry atm. (Which I'd hope will get fixed) Can't take lesser/greater/exalted rewards, can't take a chariot like his counterpart, is listed as Infantry(? Why isn't he a jetbike like all the other flamers? Did his rise in power and status within the daemon realms make him fat and slower?)

Well if you want an Exalted Flamer in a chariot you take the Burning Chariot of Tzeentch...

This is literally just some rules if you build the Burning Chariot model with the Herald instead and want to take the Exalted Flamer as a standalone model.

You might be right Voodoo

I'm hoping it was simply an oversight though. Listing the other Heralds as having the option to both take a transport dedicated to their gods and having the ability to take rewards seems like it might simply be something forgotten.

But who knows.

It was published in White Dwarf a few weeks ago, comparison to those rules would give some insight into if this is it, or an oversight.

I think they saw how bad the Burning Chariots were selling and want to move their backstock. But I am so very happy they at least fixed the Chariot issue.

I don't plan on taking them as Heralds, but with the new detachment system just take a full Combined Arms Tzeentch detachment and take 3. Cast Cursed Ground with a Herald and drop them in without scattering and torrent the crap out of everyone!

The real tragedy is the Masque and Blue Scribes still cannot be in the 4-in-1 slot, but again, the new detachment system really helps that out a bunch. So you can get your couple Heralds in one HQ slot, and the Scribes in another. Whammo, you've got your Warp Charges and a randomly automatically successful psychic power from a discipline of your choosing.

I've used him a few times before 7th, and he's been alright. He should really be treated like a heavy-weapon team for a squad of horrors though, rather than an HQ in his own right. For 50pts, a super-flamer and rapid-lascannon on a 3W body is pretty good. Just needs a little bit of pre-planning to get him into position, but he's a good area-denial beastie. Just think of him as a unit upgrade.
For 50pts bare bones, he's cheaper than any other herald without upgrades (and be honest, you never take a neakid herald), and he at least comes with some nice firepower out of the box. I've used him as budget HQ for my daemon allies as well, just for unlocking other things.

With the change to herald-slot, he doesnt even hamper your HQ choices that much.

With the Chariot Changes, I'd actually rather have the Herald on the Burning Chariot. Now I can move 12", shoot off some Witchfire dakka, then Flat-out 18" into safety the same turn. I got the kit a month or two ago and just used the Herald and Exalted Flamer models on foot when the WD rules for the Flamer came out, but now I think I'll finish this chariot.

GoliothOnline wrote:
The Exalted Flamer doesn't seem to have access to anything BUT his list entry atm. (Which I'd hope will get fixed) Can't take lesser/greater/exalted rewards, can't take a chariot like his counterpart, is listed as Infantry(? Why isn't he a jetbike like all the other flamers? Did his rise in power and status within the daemon realms make him fat and slower?)

No flamers are jetbikes, you are thinking about screamers.

Flamers are normally jump infantry.

GoliothOnline wrote:
You might be right Voodoo

I'm hoping it was simply an oversight though. Listing the other Heralds as having the option to both take a transport dedicated to their gods and having the ability to take rewards seems like it might simply be something forgotten.

But who knows.

you could just take the burning chariot, which has an exalted flamer.

Duh.

 Kaime wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:
The Exalted Flamer doesn't seem to have access to anything BUT his list entry atm. (Which I'd hope will get fixed) Can't take lesser/greater/exalted rewards, can't take a chariot like his counterpart, is listed as Infantry(? Why isn't he a jetbike like all the other flamers? Did his rise in power and status within the daemon realms make him fat and slower?)

No flamers are jetbikes, you are thinking about screamers.

Flamers are normally jump infantry.

Good catch, totally my bad on that XD


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 Scipio Africanus wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:
You might be right Voodoo

I'm hoping it was simply an oversight though. Listing the other Heralds as having the option to both take a transport dedicated to their gods and having the ability to take rewards seems like it might simply be something forgotten.

But who knows.

you could just take the burning chariot, which has an exalted flamer.

Duh.

I could.. But that would be silly as it would take away my heavy support options from Daemon Princes

There's no way for him to get relentless or anything else.

I guess you could give him prescience from another Herald.