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Just checking, now we've all had a few days with the new rules, how people are looking at running tourney lists in 7th edition.

It seems that all the rumours about bound/unbound/unlimited detatchments etc are all of no real merit. Throne Of Skulls is only allowing Battle Forged armies with a single Combined Arms Detachment. So what has changed in this edition with list building? We already had allies, the FoC and tournaments opting in and out of certain supplements/rule-sets. I can only imagine the single combined arms detachment, single allied detachment, battle forged only will become standard at most tournies.

Is anyone really thinking about running a different list structure for tournaments in "7th"? I'm not a particularly competitive player, but I like the chunk of games one gets to squeeze into a weekend tournament and am wondering how things may change with the types of armies I face (I'm thinking not much overall).

Tournaments will probably adjust with time on the new rules as right now they just seem to want 6th edition with the core rules from 7th. I could understand not running maelstrom missions, but they should adapt to the new changes with something that effectively nerfs some armies and not others. If I can take allied detachments then I can still have 3 ICs in an army that can join each other... I can still run daemon factory and so on.

They should just wait until the dust settles and see what needs to be done to make the game competitive without inviting people to bring 20 annihilation barges to a tourne. Like a unit limit or something.

Yeah, this is unfortunate, I was hoping I could replace my allied detachment with a second CAD so I could field 2 allied HQs (but 1 primary HQs and 3 FA from primary.) I might have to be on the fence about buying things until the dust settles.

It will depend entirely on the tournament. Don't expect common rules to be adopted.

As soon as any big tournament starts modifying the basic rules (which they've already done), all of them will do it. And they will all do it differently. There's no group of players more vain that the people that run tournaments, the bigger the tournament, the more vanity. They all want to make their own mark.

Aside from limiting what you can bring to avoid Lords of War spamming or other such nonsense, only thing i can think of off the top of my head that will need immediate house-rulling is psyker phase and ICs.

As it is RAW, ICs attached to a unit with other Psykers are treated as a single unit for generating warp charges and powers. Nothing in the psyker phase mentions they act alone since theyre an IC, and even the IC rule cements this by saying they follow the rules of the unit for all intents and purposes. I brought this up here if you wish to debate it
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/597510.page

Second page Elric Greywolf suggested a good houserule for this situation.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Aside from limiting what you can bring to avoid Lords of War spamming or other such nonsense, only thing i can think of off the top of my head that will need immediate house-rulling is psyker phase and ICs.

As it is RAW, ICs attached to a unit with other Psykers are treated as a single unit for generating warp charges and powers. Nothing in the psyker phase mentions they act alone since theyre an IC, and even the IC rule cements this by saying they follow the rules of the unit for all intents and purposes. I brought this up here if you wish to debate it
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/597510.page

Second page Elric Greywolf suggested a good houserule for this situation.

Why does everyone automatically assume a specifically stated rule is incorrect or requires an FAQ or "immediate house ruling" The rule is what it is, build accordingly.

Ya our local tournament, once a month, has stated the new Ork detachment is to powerful. and the only allowed detachment is the C.A.D. Nice because that completely nullifies the Ork Gaz sup.

this will probably go on till either till a few imperial codex's come out or till his buds change there minds.

Ps. also knights are ok in these tournaments but no L.O.W. i don't know if that's anything like whats going on elsewhere, but if GW isn't allowing knights at there tournaments with no L.O.W. i thought others would follow suet.

That is a pretty bold statement to say the ork FoC is overpowered. The third HQ is kinda required for orks to even function and who the hell is going to field more than 6 troops anyway lol.
At the last statement of "no LoW but knights are allowed" i think the TO's of those tournaments youre seeing are pretty messed up in the head. Knights are literally half a step back from a super heavy. If you allow them, you should allow everything.
This is why i avoid tournaments. Dumb rules that limit things that shouldnt be limited. In a friendly setting we bring whatever we want, we just limit ourselves from taking the crazy OP models (low, knights, etc) until we go huge points.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
It will depend entirely on the tournament. Don't expect common rules to be adopted.

As soon as any big tournament starts modifying the basic rules (which they've already done), all of them will do it. And they will all do it differently. There's no group of players more vain that the people that run tournaments, the bigger the tournament, the more vanity. They all want to make their own mark.

I'm going to wholeheartedly disagree with the later half of that especially your stab at their vanity. These TOs have a lot of money on the line and are more invested in making 7th Edition Tournaments work more than anyone. In many instances they are following the will of those who attend their events with the sole interest being their financial stake and the enjoyment and increased and continued patronage of their constituents. So far 2 Detachments, Single CAD, Self Ally, No or Modified LoW is pretty damned reasonable with specialized missions meant to be better for competitive play than book missions. Hard to fault or find the vanity you've proposed in that.


OP, I think we are going to see a rise of Defensive Objective Secured lists. Some armies can just put enough OS down to weather the storm so to speak. We also can have more reserve heavy lists. Deathstars have been weakened, though they won't be dead. Gunlines took a hit. Psychic reliance is riskier. All in all, we should see a more diverse meta with differing playstyles being viable mainly defensive Objective Secured lists.

Should be fun, I'm looking forward to seeing the results of the upcoming BAO and preparation for the NOVA.

Don't pay attention to people who have never been to big GTs, who don't know the TOs and just assume that because it's a competitive environment that everyone there is dbag.

In fact, the larger the event, the more professional and welcoming the environment is. You know who insults people they don't know about events they also don't know anything about? Actual dbags.

As for 7th ed lists, I agree with Zagman. MSU OS lists will be dominant. SM, AM and Nids will do especially well. Eldar are still great with serpent spam and Necrons with AV13 spam. Daemons. I think the big losers are Tau. They won't be bad; but will probably lose a slim majority of their games at GTs as the primary det.

Kholzerino wrote:


I can only imagine the single combined arms detachment, single allied detachment, battle forged only will become standard at most tournies.

And how are orkses supposed to deal with that if we have Ghazzy in LOW slot and need at least 3-4 HQ to start functioning? That's exactly how IG would feel if they had priests, primaris psychers and comissars take 1 HQ slot each.

Hopefully they will have some tasty formations to help them cope.

What do you think about a tournament Orks list? Many people consider them to not be competitive, do you think that they can be competitive? And what units would you run? List.

Without formations orks are meh at best.

With formations orks are scary as hell