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Following the new rulebook & FAQ drop i've found myself pondering over the following:

A Space Wolf "Wolf tooth Necklace" entry says "Against Models with a WS Value, a model with a wolftooth necklace always hits in close combat on a 3+"

Now if your opponents unit had 'invisability' from Telepathy dicapline cast on it it models only hit it on a 6+ or something to that effect (Don't have the rulebook to hand right now)

Would the Space wolf model with WTN still strike the unit on 3+ assuming it has a WS? or would the rule incurred on the enemy unit by telepathy make the space wolf strike on a 6+?

Granted if the space wolf was striking a vehicle with no WS, no question Invisability would win. But in cases where the target has a WS value which rule takes precidence?

Help?

Yes.

Where advanced rules apply to a specific model, they always override any contradicting basic rules.

Codex usually trumps main rulebook, I'd say the wolves crush invis in CC...

The problem is that there isn't anything in the rulebook that I have seen to say Codex trumps Rulebook like there was in 6th, only that Advanced rules trump Basic rules and both of these would count as Advanced rules as they aren't something standard naked units can do.

Wow that is a good one. I'd say they hit on a three. It says they always hit on a three, regardless. Let me read the spell.

Shame they don't currently have that rule where you have 2 set values.

While there may be no 'Codex trumps BRB' rule in the BRB now, the model specific wargear is more Advanced than a power available to many many others in various Codices. And fellas like Kharn are even more advanced, always hitting on a 2+. Maniacs swing at anything, even imaginary flies in the air, so they're bound to hit something

Now I want to use Kharn and Space Wolves in the same list!

Out side of a wolf guard squad where every model has the Wolf's Tooth Necklace or a combat with Ragnar going so long because he is the only thing able to hit and getting all his bonus attacks it shouldn't be that big a deal for the random SW to hit the random invisible unit in CC on 3's an not 6's.

Kaela_Mensha_Khaine wrote:
Out side of a wolf guard squad where every model has the Wolf's Tooth Necklace or a combat with Ragnar going so long because he is the only thing able to hit and getting all his bonus attacks it shouldn't be that big a deal for the random SW to hit the random invisible unit in CC on 3's an not 6's.

Oh Ye of narrow minds

That's a good question, because they are both Advanced rules (and I don't feel any one rule is any more "advanced" than the other). Best way I can think of to resolve it is on the SW turn, the wolftooth necklace takes precendence, and on the invisibile units' turn, the pychic power takes precendence.

 CrashCanuck wrote:
The problem is that there isn't anything in the rulebook that I have seen to say Codex trumps Rulebook like there was in 6th, only that Advanced rules trump Basic rules and both of these would count as Advanced rules as they aren't something standard naked units can do.

The section that tells you that Advances Rules trump basic one also addresses the Codex vs Rulebook conflict right at the bottom.

there is a rule in 7th along the lines of where if two things happen at the same time IE setting the to hit roll to either 3+ or 6+, then the player whos turn it is gets to choose

so your turn, set it to 6 then 3, his turn he gets to do the opposite.

dont have book in front of me, so no pg # for you atm, but its in there, I believe on the modifiers page IIRC

also, and I might be wrong, doesnt the BRB still say codex > BRB somewhere?

if it still does, then you are good to go with 3+ to hit

 insaniak wrote:

 CrashCanuck wrote:
The problem is that there isn't anything in the rulebook that I have seen to say Codex trumps Rulebook like there was in 6th, only that Advanced rules trump Basic rules and both of these would count as Advanced rules as they aren't something standard naked units can do.

The section that tells you that Advances Rules trump basic one also addresses the Codex vs Rulebook conflict right at the bottom.

Seconding this. Can't give a page quote as I am away from book, but it is in the same little black box as Basic vs. Advanced rules.

The page is 13 and it only states that movement, shooting and close combat as well as morale. Everything else is an advanced rule giving examples of even a boltgun being advanced rules :/. So both are advanced... As no real clarification exist both overwrite each other then black box on page 10 applies. The kost important rule :/

Actually looking at it, the last two sentences in basic vs advanced rules says

"on rare occasions, a conflict will arise between a rule in this rulebook, and one printed in a codex. Where this occurs, the rule printed in the codex take precedence"

Roll off. They are duking it out. For once the roll off seems like the right rule in this case.

I don't understand why people are saying 'roll off' is the best option when there is a clear rule for this.

Page 13 of BRB, bottom right, last paragraph:

On rare occasions, a conflict will arise between a rule in this rulebook, and one printed in a codex. Where this occurs, the rule printed in the codex or army list entry ALWAYS takes preccedence

but it also clearly says "You'll occasionally find that two or more rules are to be resovled at the same time... when this happens, and the wording is not explicit as to which rule is resovled first, then the player whose turn it is chooses the order." (BRB Pg 17)

Thus both set modifiers are applied at the same time, and the one applied last takes precedence, and since the player gets to choose which... Karn gets priority on his turn, Invis gets priority on the other turn.

Except that this is not a modifier as it does not modify a characteristic.

Modifiers are pieces of wargear or special rules that modify a characteristic. That does not happen here, hence it just becomes a 'which book takes preccedence'-case, for which there is a clear rule.
The thing you are referring to is used when two rules form seperate codexes contradict each other.