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This came up in a game tonight:
Opponent shoots a blast weapon at one of my units.

It scatters onto a second unit that has the Jink special rule (jetbikes to be precise).

But this happens after the To Hit roll so I can't elect to Jink? I can't even elect to Jink preventatively because to second unit was never targeted for a shooting a attack.

Did we do this right?

 Shandara wrote:
This came up in a game tonight:
Opponent shoots a blast weapon at one of my units.

It scatters onto a second unit that has the Jink special rule (jetbikes to be precise).

But this happens after the To Hit roll so I can't elect to Jink? I can't even elect to Jink preventatively because to second unit was never targeted for a shooting a attack.

Did we do this right?

Sounds like you followed RAW...

RAW, that sounds correct. RAI, I think I'd let an opponent declare the Jink before rolling to pen.

RAW, that's it indeed. The trigger that allows you to use Jink never happened..

Think of it as the 2nd unit hit never saw the shot coming

I think you can elect to jink, but you'd have to do it ahead of time.

So if I'm shooting a unit, you can elect to jink with it and anyone next to it that you think will be hit, or that you just can't risk being hit and killed.

I don't think you HAVE to target a unit in order for it to get a jink save, they just have to elect to jink before any hit rolls are rolled for that attack.

 Spellbound wrote:
I think you can elect to jink, but you'd have to do it ahead of time.

So if I'm shooting a unit, you can elect to jink with it and anyone next to it that you think will be hit, or that you just can't risk being hit and killed.

I don't think you HAVE to target a unit in order for it to get a jink save, they just have to elect to jink before any hit rolls are rolled for that attack.

The very first sentence of Jink, requires the unit to be targeted.

 Happyjew wrote:

 Spellbound wrote:
I think you can elect to jink, but you'd have to do it ahead of time.

So if I'm shooting a unit, you can elect to jink with it and anyone next to it that you think will be hit, or that you just can't risk being hit and killed.

I don't think you HAVE to target a unit in order for it to get a jink save, they just have to elect to jink before any hit rolls are rolled for that attack.

The very first sentence of Jink, requires the unit to be targeted.

I think placing a blast marker of a unit counts as selecting it as a target for a shooting attack.

And also at that point no to hit rolls have been made.

so jink after the marker is placed over your unit.

 Spellbound wrote:
I think you can elect to jink, but you'd have to do it ahead of time.

So if I'm shooting a unit, you can elect to jink with it and anyone next to it that you think will be hit, or that you just can't risk being hit and killed.

I don't think you HAVE to target a unit in order for it to get a jink save, they just have to elect to jink before any hit rolls are rolled for that attack.

I did think about using elect to jink as a HIWPI but since the template scatters max 12 inches, that's a huge area (circle with radius of 12 inches) where all skimmers must decide to jink or not. Just not very feasible.

Anyway, RAW seems to be quite clear. I take it as the skimmer not seeing the ricochet or secondary explosion from the unit beside him.

Interesting, interesting. Hard to abuse this, unless people just pack their vehicles together. But yeah, placing a vindicator blast so it touches two vehicles, saying "I'm only targeting this one" is kind of.....kind of shady.

where you initially place the template is still targeting it. if it then scatters and hits something else, then that's not targeted.

I think that the jink should be made before scatter, as scatter is the "to hit" roll. I think in the grim darkness of the far future, where a tank can fire its forward mounted weapon at point blank range and hit just behind itself, it seems fair that unless the gun is pointed at the model, the model isn't sure if it's being targeted or not, and can't have time to jink.