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Overlord (CCB, Semp Weave, Warscythe, MSS, res orb)
Royal Court - Despairteks (x2), Stormteks (x3)

Overlord (CCB, Semp Weave, Warscythe, MSS, res orb)
Royal Court - Despairteks (x2), Stormteks (x3)

5 x Deathmarks - Night Scythe (2 Despairteks go here)
5 x Deathmarks - Night Scythe (1 Despairteks go here)

5 x Warriors - Night Scythe (2 stormteks here)
5 x Warriors - Night Scythe (2 stormteks here)
5 x Warriors - Night Scythe (1 stormteks here)

Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge

Thoughts?

I have written up the same list. The things that scare me are Imperial Knights, Marine Bike Lists, and close combat rushes. Not much there to slow down a Zerg rush.

It'll slaughter white scars. Pretty sure. Anni barges and the flamers will eat them. And if they bring a couple of flyers,
alls the better.


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And I was thinking if imperial knights are spread ou, then this list is not bad against them - two of the stormtek units will delete a knight a turn and they are pretty mobile, and the anni barges can hurt them too, as can the scythes. Though the Deathmarks are wasted points, bar claiming objectives late on when much else is dead...

I would take out both command barges put in 2 ghost arks,put 10 total death marks on one nightscyths ,the ghost arks can handle zerg or summon deamons with all of there fire power they can produce,and they score too,and repair dead troops.and you only need one abssy crytec wit the death marks open more room,i agree with storm tecks,they kill anything.


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And have 3 flame tecks to me is to much,you need one,10 deathmarks with a flame tec kills anything.

Maelstrom style missions could hose you if your Reserves is late, or you don't do some serious damage to your opponent on the turn you arrive.

AM w/4 Naval Officers would give you a good run for your money, but Im not sure you'll be seeing many, if any, of those on the tournaments.

Anything that can kill 3 Annihilation Barges on the first turn. Loss by Sudden Death Victory.

That was my initial thought, then I saw the Command Barges...

The list is solid and has enough Tesla to put down just about anything., Scythes are still the kings of putting scoring on objectives and that certainly hasn't changed.


Do you have any reliable way to take out AV14? As Objective Secured Land Raiders are now a possibility and with the move towards S6-7 AT they have a place holding and taking objectives in some lists. Time will tell if we actually see many of them, but allying a bit of cheap BA for that very purpose may come to pass.


Maelstrom Missions could be a problem, especially if your reserve rolls are bad or your opponent can affect them.

Well I'm not worried about any armour with five storm teks in the list. Dropping one night scythe down gives me 6 haywire shots and 10 gauss shots. Just about enough for one unit to glance a Land a Raider to death without any help. Two units dropping is a guarantee.

Res Orb is lackluster in a CCB. An astute opponent will consolidate after CC and deny you the ability to place the model so it can only really help you survive shooting or witchfire.

Just swapping the Resurrection Orbs for four Scarab bases might work. They're small enough to keep pretty well hidden, and you could keep them safe until something like an AV14 scoring Landraider presented itself.

Yeah looks very solid. Very similar to what I ran in 6th but without the Chariots (I ran extra warrior in Nightscythe squaf). I don't know if you have any free points but personally I'd swap the 5th Stormtek for another Despairtek. Knights took a big nerf in 7th so I wouldn't expect too many and they can't handle flyers at all. Those double stormtek units will very reliably kill Landraiders so I don't think you need the 5th where as double despair in the Deathmarks makes a huge difference (you kill rather than hurt the target unit).

My DA list would give it a run. It is very mobile and has a lot of options to pop those barges before you get a chance to bring in the rest of your squad. Here is the list.

(200) - HQ1 - Sammael
(095) - HQ2 - Librarian W/PFG
(215) - None - Ravenwing Command Squad(5) W/RCB
(181) - Troops 1 - Ravenwing Attack Squad(6) W/Flamer(2) CombiFlamer(1)
(164) - Troops 2 - Ravenwing Attack Squad(5) W/Melta(2) CombiMelta(1)
(294) - Fast Attack 1 - Ravenwing Black Knights(7)
(080) - Fast Attack 2 - Ravenwing Darkshroud W/Heavy Bolter
(080) - Fast Attack 3 - Ravenwing Darkshroud W/Heavy Bolter
(160) - Heavy Support 1 - Devastator Squad(5) W/LasCannon(4) CombiPlasma(1)
(140) - Heavy Support 2 - Predator W/TwinLascannon & Lascannons
(240) - Elites 1 - Deathwing Terminator Squad(5) W/THSS(4)

Its just really fast and has high STR/High AP attacks that can hit you at close range for rapid fire on T1 (due to scouting) If you don't go first it could tear up those barges pretty bad.

But I doubt you will see any DA at a tournament as the consensus is that they are bad.

RJCarrot wrote:
My DA list would give it a run. It is very mobile and has a lot of options to pop those barges before you get a chance to bring in the rest of your squad. Here is the list.

(200) - HQ1 - Sammael
(095) - HQ2 - Librarian W/PFG
(215) - None - Ravenwing Command Squad(5) W/RCB
(181) - Troops 1 - Ravenwing Attack Squad(6) W/Flamer(2) CombiFlamer(1)
(164) - Troops 2 - Ravenwing Attack Squad(5) W/Melta(2) CombiMelta(1)
(294) - Fast Attack 1 - Ravenwing Black Knights(7)
(080) - Fast Attack 2 - Ravenwing Darkshroud W/Heavy Bolter
(080) - Fast Attack 3 - Ravenwing Darkshroud W/Heavy Bolter
(160) - Heavy Support 1 - Devastator Squad(5) W/LasCannon(4) CombiPlasma(1)
(140) - Heavy Support 2 - Predator W/TwinLascannon & Lascannons
(240) - Elites 1 - Deathwing Terminator Squad(5) W/THSS(4)

Its just really fast and has high STR/High AP attacks that can hit you at close range for rapid fire on T1 (due to scouting) If you don't go first it could tear up those barges pretty bad.

But I doubt you will see any DA at a tournament as the consensus is that they are bad.

What was the point in this post? He's not asked what can beat this and you've supplied no advice. All you've done is post a weak Ravenwing list and illustrated you don't know how to play it. If you go first all he had to do is deploy more than 36" away from you and all you've got is 13 shots that glance on a 6 and he'll get a 4+ jink as there is no downside to jinking with barges. You'd want to go second with this list to mitigate that and even then taking down 5 AV13 targets is well beyond your reach. Even a good version of a Ravenwing list would really struggle against this list. Have you ever played against Cronair?

I am a newer player, so take it easy.

I have not played against Cronair nor do I know what it is. I have played a few games against Necrons and have not had much difficulty with their barges. (I assume these are the ones with the 13 on all sided until pen?) If so the las squads can usually accomplish that making it easier to hit with the talons.

Disregard my post if it doesn't apply but you don't need to be rude.

The point I was making is you did not actually supply any advice on his list. You just postured that your list could beat it without understanding either your list or his. If someone posts a list and declares it unbeatable or challenges you to beat it then your response whilst ill considered would at least have been appropriate. He's posted a list and has asked for help to make it more efficient. If you don't know what Cronair is then don't post advice on a Cronair list. Granted there's very little efficiency that can be added to what is already a well thought out list, but if you don't know or understand the list don't post advice on it.

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The point I was making is you did not actually supply any advice on his list. You just postured that your list could beat it without understanding either your list or his. If someone posts a list and declares it unbeatable or challenges you to beat it then your response whilst ill considered would at least have been appropriate. He's posted a list and has asked for help to make it more efficient. If you don't know what Cronair is then don't post advice on a Cronair list. Granted there's very little efficiency that can be added to what is already a well thought out list, but if you don't know or understand the list don't post advice on it.

Read the title of the article. "What will be killing this list?" If you can't read a title, then don't post.

I thought I did. So i did. If I was mistaken, then disregard. But I would assume anything that could get an early pen and then provide glances at a decent rate would give it trouble.

Ill just leave it be for now, it really isn't worth getting into as I have already conceded to the fact I am a newer player and was just trying to point out what I thought could be a weakness.

 Feasible wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
The point I was making is you did not actually supply any advice on his list. You just postured that your list could beat it without understanding either your list or his. If someone posts a list and declares it unbeatable or challenges you to beat it then your response whilst ill considered would at least have been appropriate. He's posted a list and has asked for help to make it more efficient. If you don't know what Cronair is then don't post advice on a Cronair list. Granted there's very little efficiency that can be added to what is already a well thought out list, but if you don't know or understand the list don't post advice on it.

Read the title of the article. "What will be killing this list?" If you can't read a title, then don't post.

Good point well made

Don't sweat it RJCarrot. The original poster asked what sort of lists might have a good chance at beating his own, and you posted one which you thought might.

RJCarrot wrote:
I thought I did. So i did. If I was mistaken, then disregard. But I would assume anything that could get an early pen and then provide glances at a decent rate would give it trouble.

Ill just leave it be for now, it really isn't worth getting into as I have already conceded to the fact I am a newer player and was just trying to point out what I thought could be a weakness.

I retract my statements.

However the issue with lascannons is they are static so again you want to go 2nd or he'll deploy out of LoS (and possibly range though less likely with 48"). Killing 5 AV13 vehicles in a turn is going to be tough for any army. Its practically the equivalent of killing 2 and a half Knights turn 1 and I've not seen any army that can manage that.

I was under the impression only 3 started on the board. If all 5 are on board to begin the game the list I gave couldn't possibly drop all the ships in a turn.

As for the Las cannons, you position the tank on one side of your deployment zone and the Devistator Squad on the other, that way at the very least you still get 3 shots to get the Pen off on one provided they deploy everything on the side of the tank and out of range of the D-squad. I have since cut one of the shrouds from my list as well as someone posted to me in another thread that running 2 is a bit redundant. I cut them and the Dsquad plasma for another 2 knights.

I don't think it is as awful as you first put it, but again i couldn't speak to it without playing vs it.

Kholzerino wrote:
Overlord (CCB, Semp Weave, Warscythe, MSS, res orb)
Royal Court - Despairteks (x2), Stormteks (x3)

Overlord (CCB, Semp Weave, Warscythe, MSS, res orb)
Royal Court - Despairteks (x2), Stormteks (x3)

5 x Deathmarks - Night Scythe (2 Despairteks go here)
5 x Deathmarks - Night Scythe (1 Despairteks go here)

5 x Warriors - Night Scythe (2 stormteks here)
5 x Warriors - Night Scythe (2 stormteks here)
5 x Warriors - Night Scythe (1 stormteks here)

Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge

Thoughts?

This list is quite similiar to the first one Ive made myself for new edition. Unlike with your list, mine have 2 GA beacause I find scoring from dedicated transport as quite powerful. I also use 1 phase shifter for one of my CCB, just not to get killed by smash from riptide, which then can trap our ccb with consolidation and deny ever-living. Im considering 1 doom scythe as it can hit invisible units and is pretty decent answer for vehicles. Albeit very nice list, tell us please what is your impression after some games, im curious beacause I havent any occasion to play yet.