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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 16:49:40
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Been Around the Block
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It says "any number of crypteks that are in a royal court can be upgraded to a single, specific type of harbinger. Whilst you can have any number of harbingers of a specific type, each of the harbinger's unique wargear options can only be chosen once in each Royal Court"
And as all harbingers of the storm come with voltaic staffs doesn't that mean I could have 5 harbingers of the storm with the voltaic staff in a royal court?
I think it is obvious it means I can but my friend says I cant so I want you people to clarify
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 16:51:33
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Yes, you are reading it correctly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 17:00:04
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Been Around the Block
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My friend wants me to post all of it, my point is it doesn't say you have a choice once upgraded to that harbinger as it would say it may take the staff like it says may for the other stuff
"Upgrade to harbinger of the storm exchanging staff of light for voltaic staff
May then take any of the following:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 17:05:39
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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There actually used to be an FAQ specifically to clear this up, but its not in the 7th ed Necron FAQ.
The point is, "you can have any number of harbingers of a specific type" implies you can have 5 Voltaic staves, because you make a harbinger of a specific type by buying him a staff of one kind or another....you have to do this.
The unique wargear is the "extra" stuff. The stuff under "May then take any of the following:"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 17:12:59
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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The Hive Mind
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Veggieburgess wrote:My friend wants me to post all of it, my point is it doesn't say you have a choice once upgraded to that harbinger as it would say it may take the staff like it says may for the other stuff
"Upgrade to harbinger of the storm exchanging staff of light for voltaic staff
May then take any of the following:
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The voltaic staff is not unique wargear.
The only restriction is on unique wargear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 17:25:24
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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You are correct.
I take a slightly different stance on why however.
The cryptek entry says each of the harbingers unique wargear OPTIONS may only be chosen once in each royal court.
And arguement could be made that the voltaic staff is unique to harbingers of the storm and thus can only have one. However, it says unique wargear OPTIONS, and the voltaic staff is not optional. You must swap your staff of light with it.
The optional wargear for each type of cryptek is listed, and is limited to 1 per royal court.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 17:44:29
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Been Around the Block
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Thankyou, my friend still remains on his stance but this helps me know I am right and I will use them when I want whether I want to or not
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 17:45:08
Subject: Re:Harbinger and staffs
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Lieutenant General
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For what it's worth, here is what the old FAQ said on the matter:
Q: If a Royal Court contains more than one Cryptek from the same Harbinger, will they all have the weapon upgrade or can only one have it? (p90)
A: They must all have the weapon upgrade of their harbinger. Only the optional wargear is unique.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 19:26:52
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Been Around the Block
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Thanks, now he has no way to argue im not allowed it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 19:41:40
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Lieutenant General
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Except for the fact that it's an out of date FAQ for 6th edition.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 21:20:38
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Been Around the Block
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Yeah but until 7th makes a new FAQ stating otherwise then it's a rule
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 21:35:31
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Lieutenant General
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Where does it say that out of date FAQs are still valid?
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 22:08:57
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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You don't need no stinking FAQ.
Exhibit A: "Any number of Crypteks that are in a Royal can be upgraded to a single, specific type of Harbinger. Whilst you can have any number of Harbingers of a specific type..."
Exhibit B: "Upgrade to Harbinger of the Storm, exchanging staff of light for voltaic staff*... free / May then take any of the following..."
A is not possible unless B allows more than 1 model to upgrade to voltaic staffs. Upgrading to this or that staff is the only way to make a Harbinger, and the rule clearly states that you can have any number of Harbingers of a specific type.
So in this case, I think the FAQ was just clarifying RAW. The RAW give you enough to go on as is with no need for an FAQ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 23:04:50
Subject: Harbinger and staffs
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Been Around the Block
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I know the FAQ was not necessary but my friend is extremely stubborn despite extreme clarity from codex
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