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I kinda got lost about halfway through writing the list and now I can't really tell how I've done... The idea was to have nice big block a Halberdiers (coz everyone knows dey DA best ) inc a Jade Lord and Warrior Priest, supported by Leitdorf w a unit of Knights and a decent gun-line. But then this happened...

Empire (2000)
LORDS
Marius Leitdorf (220)
Wizard Lord - lvl 4 (Jade), Talisman of Preservation, Channelling Staff (260)

HEROES
BSB - full plate, barded warhorse, shield (109)
Warrior Priest - hvy armour, + h/wpn (69)

CORE UNITS
42 Halberdiers - fc (282)
- 10 Handgunners (90)
- 10 Handgunners (90)
14 ICKs - fc, War Banner (415)

SPECIAL UNITS
5 Outriders - fc, brace of pistols (125)
Great Cannon (120)
Mortar (100)

RARE UNITS
HVG (120)

Help? Might this actually work?

EDIT: ditched the Flagellants for a warhorse on the BSB, 5 more knights and 2 extra Halberdiers


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Also: is it worth taking an engineer?

If your going for a Marius themed army, I would take a more or less mounted core, say 17 ICK with your wizard BSB and Marius in it. As for the rest of the list, outriders are OK but don't expect to much, you need a lot more flagallants for them to work. They die in droves with them killing each other and the fact they are slow and have no armour saves (or ward).

Lasly yes engineers are worth it, though only for HVG cannons and mortars don't need it.

Hope this helps, and good luck.

A no-upgrade engineer really helps the output of the volley gun. Knocking off one misfire and the one higher bs makes the helblaster vicious.

You might want to add a few more flagellants so they can roadblock for longer and at least in my experience the mortar will not be that useful. It never seems to hit in a way that causes a lot of damage.

What if ditched the Flagellants for more knights and stuck my BSB and/or warrior priest of a pony? Would that work?

Yes it would work. As a note though flagellants normally work best in units 30+ in hoard formation with a priest, they will wreak stuff. Even more so if they have speed of light!

Priest can't join Flaggies. Only way is via War Alter Tax

Bingo.

Made some changes - how's it looking now?

(I ditched the Flagellants for a warhorse on the BSB, 5 more knights and 2 more Halberdiers, oh and a shield on the BSB just coz I had the points)

Looks good, last thing is up to you would be combining the handgunner detachments together, firstly saves you room. Secondly gives you a chance to negate their steadfast due to more ranks.

Won't that mean less shots though if I've got them ranked up?

Depends, for the purpose of shooting you can have 2x10 and if expecting combat reform them 4x5, 2x10 shootings 20 shots while 4x5 shoots 10 but lets you negate their ranks.

Fair point but I find long units such as 2x10s particularly hard to maneuver and such (not that they should be moving anyway). Two units also means they can't be taken out in a single round (provided it's one unit either side of the horde).

Thanks for all the help btw!

Edit: also my main opponent is WoC. Does that change everything?

 Brother Payne wrote:
Fair point but I find long units such as 2x10s particularly hard to maneuver and such (not that they should be moving anyway). Two units also means they can't be taken out in a single round (provided it's one unit either side of the horde).

Thanks for all the help btw!

Edit: also my main opponent is WoC. Does that change everything?

Yes it does. Drop the mortor it wont do well against warriors. It is good for t3 armies. Add another cannon to help deal with chariots and monsters. One cannon can take down a few chariots on a single shot with a long bounce. Also the manticore and chimera have wings. You need something to take those down quickly because if they get to your line and not hit your big blocks it will eat most things.

I know this is 2,000 pts but I do have something to say about 2,500

You can buy 2 models which will REALLY help you against WoC you NEED at least 1 Steam tank and possibly 2

So take a HVG 2 ST's and then fill your core with only knights and drop the gunners (reason being ok 20 gunners hitting on 5's maybe 6 hits with good rolling, then wounding on 4's so an average of 3 and then it's only -2 to their Armour save so that's a 5+ armor and usually more tricks like if they take Festus!!!)

Then take demigryphs with lances or halberds you need high AS's and good toughness to go toe to toe with WoC

I played an empire guy who took a list like yours earlier this week I had his entire army routing by turn 3 and he lost.

I'm not saying that you have a bad list it's fine!! But against WoC you have to shoot them to death try to beat their magic and then kill the Deamons!! Cause they wreck face.

So if you wanna go 2,500 any time soon just buy 2 ST's and since they are Unbreakable they can tie up WoC daemons and knights/warrior blocks.

Just some advice

If your main opponent is Warriors, take a Light Battery! It really ruins their day when they face not one, but two high strength banishments! As long as you keep the characters safe, you can play the waiting game, if you take out the prince first.

Obviously I don't advise on playing that, as you have the buffs that turn your demis into things that warriors hate.

Um okay... Fair few responses there.

Firstly the guy I play (who plays WoC) doesn't have most of the units mentioned. He usually runs 2 or 3 warrior units (between 12 and 18 strong) plus a marauders horde. He's usually runs a shadow scorcerer lord plus either a foot slogging BSB or a lord/exalted hero geared for combat (foot or jugger). He's also got a Prince and 3 Skullcrushers and usually runs 2x5 hounds and 5 marauder horsemen for flanking and all that.

Secondly - what's a Light Battery? Is it just several light wizards or does it include a luminarc?

Edit: the Prince is on foot

 Brother Payne wrote:
Um okay... Fair few responses there.

Firstly the guy I play (who plays WoC) doesn't have most of the units mentioned. He usually runs 2 or 3 warrior units (between 12 and 18 strong) plus a marauders horde. He's usually runs a shadow scorcerer lord plus either a foot slogging BSB or a lord/exalted hero geared for combat (foot or jugger). He's also got a Prince and 3 Skullcrushers and usually runs 2x5 hounds and 5 marauder horsemen for flanking and all that.

Secondly - what's a Light Battery? Is it just several light wizards or does it include a luminarc?

Edit: the Prince is on foot

A light battery is a lector on a war alter, a level 4 light and 2 level 1 light mages. This gives you a S7 banishment from the altar, and a S6 from the level 4. And if you roll the level 1s first, you guarantee the level 4 getting the buffs.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:
Um okay... Fair few responses there.

Firstly the guy I play (who plays WoC) doesn't have most of the units mentioned. He usually runs 2 or 3 warrior units (between 12 and 18 strong) plus a marauders horde. He's usually runs a shadow scorcerer lord plus either a foot slogging BSB or a lord/exalted hero geared for combat (foot or jugger). He's also got a Prince and 3 Skullcrushers and usually runs 2x5 hounds and 5 marauder horsemen for flanking and all that.

Secondly - what's a Light Battery? Is it just several light wizards or does it include a luminarc?

Edit: the Prince is on foot

A light battery is a lector on a war alter, a level 4 light and 2 level 1 light mages. This gives you a S7 banishment from the altar, and a S6 from the level 4. And if you roll the level 1s first, you guarantee the level 4 getting the buffs.

That sounds like waaaay too many points for 2k...

 Brother Payne wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:
Um okay... Fair few responses there.

Firstly the guy I play (who plays WoC) doesn't have most of the units mentioned. He usually runs 2 or 3 warrior units (between 12 and 18 strong) plus a marauders horde. He's usually runs a shadow scorcerer lord plus either a foot slogging BSB or a lord/exalted hero geared for combat (foot or jugger). He's also got a Prince and 3 Skullcrushers and usually runs 2x5 hounds and 5 marauder horsemen for flanking and all that.

Secondly - what's a Light Battery? Is it just several light wizards or does it include a luminarc?

Edit: the Prince is on foot

A light battery is a lector on a war alter, a level 4 light and 2 level 1 light mages. This gives you a S7 banishment from the altar, and a S6 from the level 4. And if you roll the level 1s first, you guarantee the level 4 getting the buffs.

That sounds like waaaay too many points for 2k...

Lector+Walter is 250, Wizard lord is 200. Wizards are 65 apiece.

Okay. Provided what then do I put the characters in? An infantry horde?

Also if I went with the Light Battery would I have to start my original list from scratch or is it still worth taking the gun-line etc? Nooo idea how this tactic runs/how much support it needs.

 Brother Payne wrote:
Okay. Provided what then do I put the characters in? An infantry horde?

Also if I went with the Light Battery would I have to start my original list from scratch or is it still worth taking the gun-line etc? Nooo idea how this tactic runs/how much support it needs.

Core doesn't really matter. It's to your taste. You just need the demis for the fighting, and the cannon for killing monsters. Then you can use both high powered magic missiles in conjunction with everything else to whittle down blocks, kill monsters and buff troops. As for units, anywhere where you can keep them safe. Remember, the Lector has 25 points of gear as your level 4 is taking the earthing rod. That is very important as he is crucial for the battery to work.

A horde of halberds/greatswords can work with this tactic as well, but demis are by far the best choice as they've got 3 S5 attacks apiece, whereas halberds have 1 S4 and Greatswords have 1 S5.

Demigryphs are rough. To reliably kill them I have to multi charge with my S7 dragon ogres and my Chaos Knights. Having multiple units of them will help.

And the light battery sounds good on paper but remember you only get 2D6 spell dice and if your rolling is Meh that's usually not enough

BlackConsulBrother wrote:
Demigryphs are rough. To reliably kill them I have to multi charge with my S7 dragon ogres and my Chaos Knights. Having multiple units of them will help.

And the light battery sounds good on paper but remember you only get 2D6 spell dice and if your rolling is Meh that's usually not enough

First few turns, you 6 dice the altar. Then you put the remaining dice onto your other banishment.

And once you engage, you buff.