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Jink attempts need to be declared prior to rolling to hit.

Does this mean that a Tesla Destructor shot which then Arks into a jink model allow that model to declare jink attempts before the auto-hits? Before the 'roll a 6' Ark test is made? or do they not get an opportunity to declare a jink attempt?

What is stopping you from jinking before they roll to hit? You are a valid target by the way the weapon's rules are worded. There is no guarantee that either target will be hit so that isn't an excuse.

You should ask your opponent before you roll the ark test if they want to jink.

The wording says:

(with newly altered FAQ) ARC
"Once the tesla destructor's initial shot has been resolved, as long as it hit at least once, roll a D6 for each other unit (friendly and enemy, engaged and unengaged) within 6" of the target. If you roll a 6, that unit suffers D6 automatic Strength 5, AP- hits."


JINK
"When a unit with any models with the Jink special rule is selected as a target for a shooting attack, you may declare that it will Jink. The decision must be made before any To Hit rolls have been made. If the unit Jinks..."

It doesn't say that the D6 you roll to see if the Arc 'goes off' is a to-hit roll, it just seems to be an unrelated ability resolution dice. Nor does the wording of the Arc suggest that the jinking models have been targeted for a shooting attack. Mind you, this feels more like an oversight in the FAQ than what they intended, hence why I bring it up.

See the dilemma?

I'd say when you roll the dice to see if it ars, that's the equivalent of rolling to hit - ask them if they want to jink before rolling the arc dice.

strictly RAW, they can't jink as they're not targeted directly blahdeblahdeblah, but as you said it seems like an oversight. so as a fair way to play it, I'd ask before rolling to see if it arcs.

Yep, don't see it coming up that often though it's ap- so jink doesn't have much benefit

My view is that they are unable to jink.

The arc is not a selected target. It was randomly determined.

The same situation exists in a scattered blast template, a vehicle explosion and even crash and burn flyers.

Although the tenets mention not to bring in real world examples, I would just say how I view it. I see it as a ricochet or a secondary effect and in most cases you would not be taking evasive action for it.

I agree with Milkboy,
Jinx has a specific Trigger requiring the Unit to be selected as a Target, therefore any attack which bypasses Selecting a Target have an way around the Trigger.
Hard to tell what the Author was thinking when they penned the Rule.

RAW - I would say no Jink available.
HYWPI - Well that is how you would play it.

But as stated, it is AP - so most of the time the Armor Save is going to be better and will not force you to have to use snapshots your next round.

+1 to milkboy. You target Unit A...he gets jink.

You don't target any of the other units that might get hit with the Arc...its just explosion resulotion, like a scattered blast.

Dunno why you guys don't think it'll come up often with the AP-. Eldar jetbikes aren't the only targets who commonly have Jink ya know. Vehicles anybody? Dark Eldar Transports? Storm Talons? Enemy Nightscythes? Side/Rear armour Tau and Eldar skimmers?

Just a few of the many who would either appreciate a Jink save, or who's shooting will be affected the turn afterwards should they choose to play it safe and jink.

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From the sounds of what everyone is saying, I'm guessing this means there is no definitive answer (which is surprising as Im sure there must be loads of other examples of attacks that just 'cause hits' without targeting or to-hit rolls being involved. Looks like something they'll need to FAQ.

In the meanwhile I'll just ask my opponent what they think should happen before shooting the first target if Arcing looks to be possible, and just go with whatever they are happiest with.

What about Imotekh's Lord of the Storm lightning strikes? Its technically not a targeted shot since it is rolled on every enemy model.

The targets are also randomly selected so I believe it should bypass the requirement.

 xandermacleod wrote:

From the sounds of what everyone is saying, I'm guessing this means there is no definitive answer

This thread shows there is a very definitive answer - RAW you can't do it, and it makes a certain amount of sense. Jink is something you chose to do like 'hey, that forgefiend is puking plasma at us! Take evasive action!' as opposed to they're cruising by another unit when the tesla attack arcs, and suddenly lightning out of nowhere. So it seems to pass the RAI test too.

 Portugal Jones wrote:

 xandermacleod wrote:

From the sounds of what everyone is saying, I'm guessing this means there is no definitive answer

This thread shows there is a very definitive answer - RAW you can't do it, and it makes a certain amount of sense. Jink is something you chose to do like 'hey, that forgefiend is puking plasma at us! Take evasive action!' as opposed to they're cruising by another unit when the tesla attack arcs, and suddenly lightning out of nowhere. So it seems to pass the RAI test too.

Spot on

katana100 wrote:

 Portugal Jones wrote:

 xandermacleod wrote:

From the sounds of what everyone is saying, I'm guessing this means there is no definitive answer

This thread shows there is a very definitive answer - RAW you can't do it, and it makes a certain amount of sense. Jink is something you chose to do like 'hey, that forgefiend is puking plasma at us! Take evasive action!' as opposed to they're cruising by another unit when the tesla attack arcs, and suddenly lightning out of nowhere. So it seems to pass the RAI test too.

Spot on

I don't think so. When, the tesla arcs, every unit nearby is selected as a target, then dice happen to see if you are hit.

RAW I'd say once the model has been shown to be a valid "arc target", the model has been targeted and at that point can decide to jink or not.

Arrias nailed it.