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Premise is to eliminate enemy warp charge – specifically against daemon and grey knights which are likely to be popping up with all the speculation about massive warp charge armies. Then have some nasty units of its own.

The plan for doing this is based around the following:
Flyrant (shadows in the warp -3 to enemy psyker LD) w/ brain leech stuff
Raider with Haemonculus with Crucible of Malediction, Karandras and Wyches
Jetseer council. Likely to get horrify/embolden – horrify isn’t super necessary but the unit is still solid

The idea is that the Flyrant and Haemonculus blitz forward towards largest concentration of warp charge points / whatever is a tempting target. Examples being – tight formations of daemons, grey knights, seer councils or other psykers. Pop the crucible and remove models that fail their LD at -3. If horrify is in the mix that’s another -3. Depending on deployment you can pull this maneuver on turn 1.

The list looks like:
Tyranid allied detachment: Flyrant and unit of termagants
Deldar detachment: haemonculus, 8 wyches with haywire in raider, 3 wracks in venom, 3 wracks in raider
Eldar detachment: karandras, farseer on bike with spirit stone, 9 jetseers with spears, 5 fire dragons, 5 wraithblades (axes), 3 units of jetbikes w/ s.cannons

Lots of speed hurtling forwards and getting into combat. Karandras is a combat monster and the wyches give him an invuln. Flyrant has speed and is a good bully. Jetseers can do a good amount of damage and tarpit as needed with hopefully fortune or invis. Fire dragons get into the venom on turn 1, wraithblades get into the raider on turn 1 and get aggressive. 3 units of jetbikes, 2 units of wracks and the unit of termigants are there for objective secured, linebreaker and other random utility. All the transports have objective secured as well so if they don’t get blown up they can grab objectives and such.

List feels like it has plenty of anti tank (singing spears, fire dragons in open topped vehicle, flyrant, wyches w/ haywire). A ton of speed, which in the few games of 7th I have played has been key in snatching up objectives in maelstrom games. Potent and durable in combat with seer council, wyches with karrandras and a haemonculus and wraithblades in an open topped vehicle. Flyers could represent a problem but the flyrant and seer council should be able to help.

Other trickeration. Against Daemons take santic on the farseer – ghosthelm really reduces the threat of perils on doubles. Normally the problem with this is that daemons will out warp charge eldar, but with the crucible + LD reduction tricks you should be able to get into a place where you have a similar amount of warp charge or even a WC advantage.

This is really only doable at 2000 points. Any thoughts, suggestions or improvements?

Having never played against anything like this, all I can offer are some initial thoughts:

-Banking on the Crucible trick looks to be very situational. Some armies it will scare and others, meh.

-The Crucible also effects psykers in your army. To me, this would indicate extremely challenging movement phases to successfully pull off.

-You have one model who can potentially roll for Invis or Fortune. Maybe my luck is horrible, but I miss Fortune when rolling with 2-3 Farseers. I'm at the point of building lists without Fortune. Invisibility is much easier as I also run Spirit Seers who have access to Telepathy.

-I'll have to review how the mechanic works, but I don't recall how Wyches provide an Inv Save to Karandaras.

-As you have played Maelstrom missions, do you find the 3 man jetbike squads worth it? I've used several and they gain me an objective point, but then I lose the unit as they are very exposed. I've looked at running 6-9 units of Jetbikes as a result. Thoughts?

-Night Fight and Jink can tremendously help the DE vehicles, but how do you handle something that shoots and ignores cover? Terrain is always a factor, but armies like Tau and AM look to cripple your army fast as you seem to be banking on Raider and Venoms to transport your Dragons, Wyches/Karandaras and Wraithguard.

Again, these are just some initial thoughts and concerns regarding your list. I've not played against anything like it, but did hear about something to this effect on the FTN podcast.

One of the things I like about the crucible is that it is a tool that will occasionally get used but it isn’t required in order for the list to be effective (hopefully). Its there for heavy psychic lists and has good potential to remove daemons specifically because of their low natural leadership. Basically I pay 70 points for something that can do some damage to a few armies out there but also gives the wych unit w/ Karandras FNP. Not bad.

The only units I have with psykers in it are the seer council and the flyrant. The seer council will stay well away from the raider on the turn it decides to pop off the crucible. Flyrant will be in danger but it will be an unmodified LD check for her. It is something to take into account though you are right. I think with the mobility of both units it is unlikely to be a problem.

3 rolls on a chart has usually worked out for me to get 1 power I want, if I don’t get it the unit is still pretty durable with a shot at conceal for a 2+ cover when it jinks. It is still a random chance though – honestly I have only used the seer council once in 7th and it did fine but it was not as potent as it was in 6th. Honestly this is probably the biggest question mark for me in the list. I keep including it because I am really happy with the models I converted for it even though it is a bit of a pain to use correctly. Do you think I should drop the unit size down or what would you recommend?

Wyches just have a 4++ in combat so when ap2 attacks are made I will allocate them to wyches with FNP. They tank big hits for karandras so he can keep swinging with his Str 8 Ap2 I7 attacks. Also they have a decent volume of attacks if I get bogged down by a blob of some sort.

I have used 3 man units of jetbikes in all the 7th games I have played so far and loved them each time. In the past I used 4 or 5 units not 3. They are fragile if they get focused but then the opponent is not shooting at raiders or venoms. I think they are definitely worth the investment of 183 pts. I could try to fit a few more units in if I reduce the size of the seer council.

Ignore cover is going to be a big issue for the raiders and venom frankly. My hope is that it does not happen on turn 1 due to conservative deployment on my part. If I get one solid flat out move towards the enemy with them I feel like they have done their job. After that if they are still alive I will use them like the jetbike units and try to contest and control objectives. Losing them on turn 1 would be painful.

I hadn’t heard the podcast yet- I should listen to it. Do they talk about how the list plays?

No, they don't. Juice was toying with the idea of adding a DE detachment to his Tyranid army.

Take a Torment Grenade Launcher on the Raider (Units within 6'' are at minus 1 Leadership). It seems to be in the same idea as you are going for, -4 on Psykers just through Shadow and TGL might be enough to pull it through without Horrify.

Otherwise seems like a fun list, maybe try find the points to put in a Hemlock Fighter for pure Lolz or Upgrade Termagants into a 5 man Genestealer squad with Brood Lord. Feel the fear!

Torment grenade launcher - great idea!

I was hoping the mindshock pod on the hemlock worked for all LD tests. Unfortunatley it only works on morale and pinning though.

If I included the broodlord it would work well though. Granted I would have to find quite a few points for those 2 things.

definitely adding torment launchers to both raiders.

Maybe not the Hemlock, but the Brood Lord is a good idea. He comes stock with The Horror ability, which fits with the theme of Leadership tests. He also generates a Spare Warp Charge, is a beast in close combat. So causing a Pinning Test on a unit of Grey Knights who are at Leadership -3 -1 -2 sure sounds fun!

I'm going to rain on your parade here.

Who is not going to be able to deal with one very average FMC and barely a handful of low AV vehicles at 2k. Throw in some way over priced MEQs and I can see you being tabled by turn 3...a lot.

Sorry but I think this is a flawed concept. A fun concept too but no meta buster IMO.

There are fragile elements in the list definitely but those elements don't have to be around very long to do their job.

Also this list is most definitely a "niche" and I would not expect it to change the meta. I do think it has answers for some of the scarier warp charge armies out there though. Specifically anything relying heavily on daemons.

I suppose it depends on what kind of list this will square off against but I feel like there are enough threats and they are durable enough that a few of them will get there.

I think you are over emphasizing the importance of the jetbikes to the list. Also if you consider them overpriced MEQ equivalent I really don't know what to say - they have won countless games for me due to their speed. That hasn't changed in 7th and in fact they are more durable in 7th and score objectives easier because you get the points at the end of your turn instead of the game.

karandras w/ wyches and the seer council are very capable of ruining someones day all on their own. everything else is toys and stupid niche crap that hopefully matches up well against warp charges.

I've no doubt against lists focused on spawning with zero fire power you'll do ok. However when the council evaporates due to no fortune/invisibility and kharandras (he is awesome!) has lost his pimp wagon to a stiff breeze what then?

Jetbikes are amazing I agree (I was referring to the 50 point jet locks) and will no doubt get you two or three points in maelstrom missions.

Against any gun line/firepower army however you are going to have a very, very hard time IMO.