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Can you swap the bikes bolters for the Burning Brand and still have a PF/LC combo in The Lord?

No, you can't change the bolters from the bike.

Yes, as the bike weapons are part of the model. People may disagree but there still isn't a rules argument against doing this.

Agreed with Nos. The weapons on the bike are still weapons carried by the model, so can be exchanged.

At least grenades are no longer described as weapons, so you can't swap those any more

the rules for what can be swapped on chaos bikes is bolter melta or flamers. the character can only swap his/her weapons for the burning brand. The bike is wargear, as is the burning brand.

oh and the choice to change the bikes bolters to flamer melta or plasma are only for the fast attack choice not the lord. Says 2 chaos bikers.

lords not a biker hes a lord choosing a bike as wargear.

Lungpickle wrote:
the character can only swap his/her weapons for the burning brand. The bike is wargear, as is the burning brand.

The bike is wargear, but it is wargear that provides a weapon (a twin-linked bolter). The Burning Brand only requires that it replaces a weapon that the model has. The bike is part of the model, therefore the weapons on the bike belong to the model, therefore they can be swapped.

Lungpickle wrote:
the rules for what can be swapped on chaos bikes is bolter melta or flamers. the character can only swap his/her weapons for the burning brand. The bike is wargear, as is the burning brand.

oh and the choice to change the bikes bolters to flamer melta or plasma are only for the fast attack choice not the lord. Says 2 chaos bikers.

lords not a biker hes a lord choosing a bike as wargear.

The bike is wargear that provides a weapon, the bolters. These can therefore be swapped for the brand. Your claims on this have no merit

TBH the bolter is part of the bike, so you cannot swap it out.


Its like a techmarines servo harness, which consists of mutiple weapon systems as part of a whole. You cannot trade out the flamer or twin-linked plasma pistol on the servo harness for a relic because all the weapons are part of a single piece of wargear.

The bike and bolter are all one piece and thus you cant break it up for swaps.



And no, there is no page number stating this. Just like you will never fine a page number stating you can trade parts of a whole wargear.

Eihnlazer had already asked my question, sorry.

I agree with eihnlazer's analysis.

So I have permission to swap out a weapon, and it is a weapon, but you are asserting I csnnot swap it out?

Sorry, that's not a great argument. Raw you can swap, no problem. You can disarm grew, but it is purely an opinion, and one that is flatly contradicted by the rules.

As neither are standard wargear, strictly it would be conditional on which upgrade you bought first, but that way madness lies.