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So with 7th edition from what I understand now, anything can be a scoring unit except for the few exceptions like falling back and swooping FMC but troops are the only scoring unit who can hold an objective?

So what happens if like an enemy vehicle is at an objective and then I get troops within objective controlling distance? Do I then control it until my troops are killed? I'm just mainly confused and the difference between being a scoring unit and a scoring controlling unit. Any help would be appreciated, thank you! Still learning.
   
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I would strongly suggest reading the BrB, it clearly will answer all of these questions. This forum is for rules questions, but requires a person to read the relevant rules.

Objective Secured Scoring units can still claim an objective unless another unit with Objective Secured is contesting, means they always hold an objective, even while contesting an objective unless both units are Objective Secured.

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Everything is scoring except FMC and falling back, but Troops have "Objective Secured" which grants them priority for controlling objectives.
- An "Objective Secured" unit near an objective controls it unless an enemy Objective Secured unit is also within 3" of the objective.
- A Scoring unit controls an objective as normal from 6th, except they cannot control or contest an objective being held by an Objective Secured unit.

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dont forget if the unit is expressly forbidden to score they cannot score. Death company come to mind.

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Also, an added note; the Dedicated Transports for troops choices gain objective secured.

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So the list is:

Scoring, with Objective Secured:

- Troops (In a Combined Arms or Allied Detachment)
- Dedicated transports bought as an upgrade for a unit of troops (In a Combined Arms or Allied Detachment)

Scoring:
- Everything, except...

Non-scoring:
- FMC that is swooping
- Flyer that is zooming
- Has a specific rule that says that it never counts as a scoring unit
- Is currently falling back
- Fortifications that are unoccupied

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 DanielBeaver wrote:
So the list is:

Scoring, with Objective Secured:

- Troops
- Dedicated transports bought as an upgrade for a unit of troops

Scoring:
- Everything, except...

Non-scoring:
- FMC that is swooping
- Flyer that is zooming
- Has a specific rule that says that it never counts as a scoring unit
- Is currently falling back
- Fortifications that are unoccupied


Have trouble accepting an unmanned drop pod as scoring tbh as nobody is there lol

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Zodiark wrote:
Have trouble accepting an unmanned drop pod as scoring tbh as nobody is there lol


Any unit can be a scoring unit, that includes vehicles.

There are a few exceptions as DanielBeaver has pointed out.

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No I am aware of that, but an unmanned vehicle should not be able to score, logically, but this game breaks logic

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Zodiark wrote:
No I am aware of that, but an unmanned vehicle should not be able to score, logically, but this game breaks logic


Real World Common Sense/Real World Logic/How it works in the real world has no bearing on the 40k Ruleset.

Remember: The rules were not written to be "Modern day real world" logical.

The rules are an abstract system used to simulate a battle in the year 40,000.

What would happen in the modern day real world has nothing to do with the RAW, or the simulation of a battle fought 38,000 years from now. (and maybe not even on a planet with the same physical makeup as our earth, and probably different physics as well).

As such they need to have some compromises to make the game playable.

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Zodiark,
Why?
It still is several tons of armored plating, with systems capable of identifying threats and weapons powerful enough to render human flesh to gibs...
I would consider that objective Secured, more so then if that same objective was being held by a lone Lasgun wielding Guardsmen instead.

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JinxDragon wrote:
Zodiark,
Why?
It still is several tons of armored plating, with systems capable of identifying threats and weapons powerful enough to render human flesh to gibs...
I would consider that objective Secured, more so then if that same objective was being held by a lone Lasgun wielding Guardsmen instead.


Actually didn't consider that, I was thinking of it in a more literal way, something I should get out of as logic is tossed out for this game. Not saying that Drop Pods don't secure objectives, but it's weird. It's like saying an autoturret can hold an objective, it has no awareness, doesn't think, is simply a program, but this line of thought gets into even weirder discussions lol so I'm fine with it, but its still weird

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 DanielBeaver wrote:
So the list is:

Scoring, with Objective Secured:

- Troops
- Dedicated transports bought as an upgrade for a unit of troops

Scoring:
- Everything, except...

Non-scoring:
- FMC that is swooping
- Flyer that is zooming
- Has a specific rule that says that it never counts as a scoring unit
- Is currently falling back
- Fortifications that are unoccupied


Good summary but you have to make sure to add:
Scoring, with Objective Secured:
- Troops (In a Combined Arms or Allied Detachment)
- Dedicated transports bought as an upgrade for a unit of troops (In a Combined Arms or Allied Detachment)

As troops from unbound lists, or in other types of detachments from a battleforged list would not qualify, and fall into the second category.

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