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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/07 12:27:25
Subject: Tempestus Scions
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So what do you guys think of an army made up of only Storm Troopers (They will always be that for me). Do you reckon its a good thing or not?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/07 12:39:55
Subject: Tempestus Scions
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Can be cool. But frankly I think Elysians are much cooler for that. Storm troopers kinda lack anything cool about them that makes them stand out among guardsmen besides some slightly improved gear.
But in smaller games definitely cool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/07 12:42:25
Subject: Tempestus Scions
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Welcome to Dakka!
An all stormie army is not something I'd personally use, but an army consisting of mostly Stormtroopers is certainly a nWhat I mean by this is that it might be worth taking a small IG allied detachment to cover some weakness in the list, but still have the Stormtroopers as the primary army. Even when they were in the IG book and not as troops or platoons, I frequently built armies around 30 Stormtroopers.
I imagine it would play a lot like Drop Pod Space Marines or Deathwing, in that force-concentration is the absolute key to making it work. You need to drop in, hit hard, and make sure that each unit is capable of taking on a specific target. To this end, you'll want to specialise the squads, so bring dual-melta for anti-tank, dual-plasma for anti-MC and dual-flamer (possibly) for anti-infantry. Whether you use Taurox/Chimeras or Deep-strike them in, you'll be looking to hit the weakest part of the enemy army with everything you have, ideally focusing on only one flank so they have to redeploy a lot of forces to bring all their firepower to bear, by which time you can deal with the threats you set out to.
As said above, though, I think they'll need some support elements. I'd certainly suggest 2 Scion Command Squads as just taking the one means the enemy are one Large Blast away from removing all your Order capability, and as for an IG detachment, it depends on how you're running the Stormtroopers.
For mechanised Stormtroopers, things like Vets in Chimeras to satisfy the Troop requirement and Hellhounds to provide mobile fire support will be a good idea. For Deep-striking, you concern will be having stuff on the board Turn 1, so artillery that you can hide, a Combined Squad behind an ADL or even some Russes with long-range firepower can both give you board presence and some ability to take out large threats early on. In fact, with the option for a Tank Commander, you can bring up to 6 Russes in a single allied detachment, (although this is probably overdoing it a little) and then just a minimum infantry platoon (maybe with Lascannons) or a Vet squad for troops. This gives you a very durable baseline and some real damage potential from the word go.
Hope that helps, and yes, from experience, a Stormtrooper-heavy army is a very cool thing to play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/07 12:51:30
Subject: Re:Tempestus Scions
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Wow thanks guys. What I was thinking was that I would use around 30 Stormies, in squads of 3, one squad with a valk, and the others with Tauros Primes. Paradigm, I was going to go one command squad, but you are right actually. Also what would be your thinking on a vulture gunship? I got one kicking around so I was thinking using that as a heavy support.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/07 12:52:56
Subject: Tempestus Scions
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Heroic Senior Officer
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I use a vulture. Punisher Gatling cannons are fun to use and in my opinion is the best loadout on that flyer. But dont expect wonders from it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/07 13:19:16
Subject: Tempestus Scions
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Yeah, the Punisher Vulture is lethal. 20 BS4 (against most targets) S5 shots with re-rolls to hit chew up hordes very nicely, and if you can get a shot on AV10, that's going down too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/07 13:21:36
Subject: Tempestus Scions
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Very importantly it has the vector thingy (sorry cant remember the rule name) which allows it to take an extra pivot. Keeps it on the board doing its job longer. Also as mentioned above can potentially allow it to strike weak Armour.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/08 09:34:40
Subject: Tempestus Scions
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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100% scion army as in.. nothing else? Well, it could work, but it'll never be anywhere near the top tier armies, I'm afraid. Scions suffer from the case of awful point cost, meaning that you won't have -that many- bodies on the table and they'll only be wearing 4+ armour and sporting S3 guns with short range, so you'll have to work around it.
That being said you need 2 command squads. I'd recommend kitting both of them for very different roles - one with 4 plasma rifles that will deep strike into terrain(remember that they pass dangerous terrain tests automatically, so you can drop them into cover commando style) in the middle of the table for some MC killing goodness and holding the centre. The other squad should use it's special rules to the fullest by getting 4 melta guns and deep striking right behind enemy heaviest tank(preferably on a flank) along with a bunch of 5-man minimal units with 2 meltas each. Big chance they'll get killed by the returned fire, but even then you'll deal with the worst things he has on the table and if they don't die, you always have a few high-powered shots on BS4 models with additional order capability.
The rest of your army should be comprised of a mix of several min-max units of scions that will be there to deal with enemy forces and dropping on objectives. Try to play very aggressively, dropping into rapid fire range, shooting the target and then trying to run behind a LOS blocking piece of terrain. Or dedicate a part of your force carefully dropping on enemy army's flank to decimate it in an alpha strike with lots of plasma and melta fire.
Main issue with Scions is their cost - they really would benefit from some armour to help them, but they are so expensive points-wise that you'll be finding yourself torn between very few bodies that might be insufficient to achieve what they're supposed to do or vehicle-less army of paratroopers whose mobility will be almost null as you want to pack them in as much terrain cover as you can so they don't evaporate when your enemy even looks funny at them. The aformentioned punisher vulture seems to be a great idea for lifting some weight off your infantry/MC killing, so you could focus on more melta squads that'll deal with enemy vehicles.
Overall I think it can work against non-cheesy lists, but it'll take some really good planning and tactics to win as Scions aren't really an I WIN button.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/08 09:55:13
Subject: Tempestus Scions
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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I think it would be a good army to let your close friends try due to its limited scope. You'd only have a few units to explain to them, it's actually an army that you could plausibly... share. If you're into that.
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