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Trying to hammer out a space marine list that utilizes as much of my armor as possible, but I haven't played in a good while or even begun to consider the changes of 7th fully.

Here's a list involving most of what I would like to take, though I realize I'll be needing some air support. What can I do to make it better/more viable?

1850/1850

Master of the forge-90

Tactical squad: melta, MM, MB, rhino -200
Tactical squad: melta, MM, MB, rhino -200
Tactical squad: melta, MM, MB, rhino -200
Tactical squad: melta, MM, rhino -195

Ironclad: launchers, twin flamers, pod 190
Ironclad: launchers, twin flamers, pod 190

Assault squad, 2x flamers, pod 95

Land raider, multimelta 260
Predator: autocannon, lascannon sponsons-115
Predator: autocannon, lascannon sponsons-115

What can I do differently? I'm unsure of how the group I'm looking to play with does things but at least at first I want to stay away from the data slates/sheets/whatever and the Iron Hands subchapter book thingie. I really like the idea of two ironclads, but dropping one (and the assault squad as it won't be needed) would clear room for my storm talon and a couple of speeders or something. Maybe make points to upgrade to Tri-las preds as well (which sort of double as desperate anti air).

IT looks solid enough, to be honest. The Rhinos will be more durable than in other armies, and with 7th making Explode results impossible on anything AP3 or worse and half as likely on AP2, they're going to be tough to put down with that many and the LR.

Personally, I'd actually take Auto/HB preds. Between the Dreads, the LR and the 'melta, melta everywhere' tactical squads, if anything you need more anti-horde/light vehicle. Killing AV12+ should be done easily enough by the other elements.

What are you planning on doing with the MoTF? Putting him in the LR to make it super-tough and repairable? If you were going down that route, I'd actually be tempted to take a Command Squad for him in place of one of the Tactical Squads, so the LR can make use of being an Assault Vehicle. I know the MOTF doesn't thrive in Combat, but he does have a pair of power fist attacks essentially, and a 2+ save. A Command Squad with an Apothecary, a sprinkling of Storm Shields and Power Weapons would add a bit more CC punch to the list, and cost around the same as a Tac squad.

3 AV11, 4 AV13 and 1 AV14, all with IWND, makes this list tough to put down, so I can't see any glaring errors, and as for anti-flier, I think if anything a Stormraven would be the way to go (drop a Dread and the Assault Squad) as IWND on an AV12 flier is pretty awesome.

My only suggestion would be drop pods for the iron clads. Instant bring the pain delivery instead of footslugging. The rest looks good.

I would drop the assault squad and an ironclad for 2 Stormtalons with skyhammer missiles. That still leaves you 35 points or so and gives you sufficient AA that can also be used as anti infantry pretty effectively. Maybe with the remaining points you can upgrade the predators to all lascannons.

If there are any points leftover (and maybe drop the LR multimelta and some melta bombs) to get a close combat scout squad to put in the LR with the MotF for a late game objective grab.

This gives you plenty of long range lascannons, some nice fliers that can hunt troops too, and a bunch of durable troops; I like it.


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What about this:

MotF

Tactical Squad (10) - rhino, melta, MM
Tactical Squad (10) - rhino, melta, MM
Tactical Squad (10) - rhino, melta, MM
Tactical Squad (7) - rhino, flamer, combi-flamer
Scout Squad (5) - bolt pistol, combat blades

Ironclad - pod, heavy flamer x2, assault launchers

Stormtalon - skyhammers
Stormtalon - skyhammers

Land Raider
Predator - lascannons, lascannon sponsons
Predator - lascannons, lascannon sponsons

Scouts ride with the MotF in the Land Raider and the rest is very similar to what you have.

@cannon, they are in pods dreads love them so i try to make sure they get one.

@xTHExCLINCHERx, I like your list, it looks like a good alternate list to intersperse with the initial one for fun and variety, and all I would need is another storm talon.

@paradigm, Dakkapreds are my favorite anyway, and you are probably right about the kind of fire flying around. I've been flirting, but just barely, with getting a storm raven eventually if I ever get the rest of things painted. I did not know a motf unlocked a command squad. The book seems to suggest you can only take one for a captain, chaplain, or librarian, though motf can take servitors. I could potentially drop one of the marine squads down a bit kind of like xTHExCLINCHERx's list to make room for bringing servitors (mostly for repair buff though), or I could stick the assault squad in there with him on turn 1.


Thanks for the comments guys, it always helps to have a good sounding board for this kind of thing!

Oops, forgot the MOTF couldn't get a Command Squad. I suppose you could achieve the same thing of a LR-based CC unit with Vanguard Vets without JPs (which I think works out slightly more expensive). Alternatively, a few Servitors buffing his Blessing rolls would make the Land Raider almost unkillable unless it was one-shotted.

Reading its overrated and I need to make it larger when reading from phone.

Yeah phone causes me problems too