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So a grey Knight grand master can grant unyielding anvil to d3 units. The wording states that those units can claim objectives 'as if they were troops'.

My question is simple, does this therefore grant them 'objective secured' status?

Currently no.
There's nothing in the rule or FAQ's that suggest it does.

 grendel083 wrote:
Currently no.
There's nothing in the rule or FAQ's that suggest it does.

Apart from the fact that it states in can claim an objective as if it were troops?

Direct quote:

"A key position must be seized for victory to be won. The nominated units can CLAIM OBJECTIVES AS IF THEY WERE TROOPS" Emphasis mine.

The thing is, troops in a battle forged army gain objective secured. So if it's a battleforged grey Knight army, and I nominate D3 units to have Unyielding anvil, then surely they gain 'Objective secured' otherwise it's a pointless rule in 7th as everything is scoring anyway...

As if they where, treat as, count as and a range of other similar Terminology all stands for one simple action:
Resolve X in the same method as one would Resolve Y.

Anyone whom would allow a Rule to Trigger for Y is forced by this Terminology to also allow it for X, assuming a situations that meets the 'Treat as' conditions, or they have broken the Rules. In this situation we have specific instructions stating that Units with this Rule Claim Objectives as if they where Troops, therefore resolving the scenario in any other way then that for Troops is illegal. The purpose of this Rule has not changed between 6th edition to 7th edition, though it is useless for Unglued armies, because we still are left Resolving situations involving Claiming Objectives as if these Units where Troop choices and only for that one specific situation alone.

JinxDragon wrote:
As if they where, treat as, count as and a range of other similar Terminology all stands for one simple action:
Resolve X in the same method as one would Resolve Y.

Anyone whom would allow a Rule to trigger for Y is forced by this terminology to also allow it for X in any situations that match the Trigger for these Rules. In this situation we have a specific instruction that Claiming Objectives are to be Resolved in the same method we use for Troops when it comes to Units with this Rule. The purpose of this Rule has not changed between 6th edition to 7th edition, though it is useless for Unglued armies, because we still are left Resolving situations involving Claiming Objectives as if these Units where Troop choices and only for that one specific situation alone.

Sorry, spam post, but that is the best example of rule solving I have ever seen.

When claiming objectives, would a Troop unit be able to claim if there's an enemy unit 2" from the Objective?

Why would you treat Unyielding Anvil units any different?

I don't understand what you all are getting at. Are you saying they do get objective secured, or they don't?

Actually, unless FAQed to not, Unyielding Anvil most certainly allows the selected unit(s) to benefit from Objective Secured so long as they are part of a Battleforged Detatchment.

If a Troop unit would benefited from objective Secured, then a unit selected for Unyielding Anvil would as well. There are no rule conflicts and the rule works as written.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
I don't understand what you all are getting at. Are you saying they do get objective secured, or they don't?

I'd say they do. If you don't give them OS you're not treating them like Troops as far as capturing objectives is concerned.

That was my interpretation. Wanted to know ow if anyone had encountered it or how people interpreted it. Thanks guys. Objective secured Nemesis dreadknights it is....

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
That was my interpretation. Wanted to know ow if anyone had encountered it or how people interpreted it. Thanks guys. Objective secured Nemesis dreadknights it is....

Yep, I have between 1-3 when I'm playing my GK. It's awesome.

troops do NOT gain objective secured because they are troops...

making other units into troops, does not either.

To grant the OBJ secured, the unit must both be troops chosen as part of your CAD detachment pre game (pg 118 tells you its done pre game, and its mentioned elsewhere)


looks like it could go either way, I think the intent in this specific case is that they should get OBJ secured, assuming you dont run into issues with 7+ troops in your CAD and other such issues that arise from mid game use of the list building rules

 easysauce wrote:
troops do NOT gain objective secured because they are troops...

making other units into troops, does not either.

To grant the OBJ secured, the unit must both be troops chosen as part of your CAD detachment pre game (pg 118 tells you its done pre game, and its mentioned elsewhere)


looks like it could go either way, I think the intent in this specific case is that they should get OBJ secured, assuming you dont run into issues with 7+ troops in your CAD and other such issues that arise from mid game use of the list building rules

Your point is UTTERLY invalid.

A dreadknight is a selection from my primary CAD, and unyeilding anvil allows the to capture objectives as if they were troops in the CAD. Troops in the CAD gain objective secured, so I don't understand your argument at all?

 easysauce wrote:
troops do NOT gain objective secured because they are troops...

making other units into troops, does not either.

To grant the OBJ secured, the unit must both be troops chosen as part of your CAD detachment pre game (pg 118 tells you its done pre game, and its mentioned elsewhere)


looks like it could go either way, I think the intent in this specific case is that they should get OBJ secured, assuming you dont run into issues with 7+ troops in your CAD and other such issues that arise from mid game use of the list building rules

We usually agree on stuff easy sauce, but here I'm going to disagree.

The Dreadknigts are already chosen as part of a CAD, Unyielding anvil does not make them troops, it allows them to score as if they were troops. Troops in a cAD have Objective Secured, no conflict.


This is definitely a different case than Conjured Units etc as the units are part of your force roster and the exception does not actually change their slot, just let's them score with the same benefits of troops from that detachment.

 easysauce wrote:
troops do NOT gain objective secured because they are troops...

making other units into troops, does not either.

To grant the OBJ secured, the unit must both be troops chosen as part of your CAD detachment pre game (pg 118 tells you its done pre game, and its mentioned elsewhere)


looks like it could go either way, I think the intent in this specific case is that they should get OBJ secured, assuming you dont run into issues with 7+ troops in your CAD and other such issues that arise from mid game use of the list building rules

UA doesn't make them troops at all.
They're part of a CAD. UA requires that they capture objectives as if they were troops.
How do troops that are part of a CAD capture objectives?

So, considering the consensus is they do get objective secured, I've come up with this list at 1500 points. I have a psychic mini deathstar. They're not entirely broken. Hopefully I'll get gate of infinity to launch them forward on turn one using the servo skulls, the inquisition are there for the cheap servo skulls and rad grenades I do want them to be payers, but don't know where to get the force weapons from. The grand strategy is there for objective securing dreadknights.

Here it is. Let me know what you think,
1500 Pts - Grey Knights Roster

UPDATED

Total Roster Cost: 1499

HQ: Grey Knight Grand Master (1#, 205 pts, Warlord)
1 Grey Knight Grand Master + Empyrean Brain Mines + Rad Grenades + Nemesis Daemonhammer

HQ: Librarian (1#, 205 pts)
1 Librarian + Nemesis Force Halberd + Upgrade to Mastery Level 3

Elite: Paladin Squad (3#, 165 pts)
1 Paladin Squad
1 Paladin + Nemesis Daemon Hammer
1 Paladin + Nemesis Force Halberd
1 Paladin + Nemesis Force Halberd

Allies: Ordo Xenos Inquisitor (1#, 87 pts)
1 Ordo Xenos Inquisitor + Rad Grenades + Servo-skulls x3 + Power Armour + Upgrade to Psyker

Troops: Grey Knight Strike Squad (6#, 160 pts)
1 Grey Knight Strike Squad
1 Justicar + Nemesis Force Halberd
1 Grey Knight + Nemesis Force Halberd
2 Grey Knights
1 Grey Knight + Psillencer
1 Razorback + Psybolt Ammunition

Allies: Ordo Xenos Inquisitor (1#, 57 pts)
1 Ordo Xenos Inquisitor + Rad Grenades + Servo-skulls x3 + Power Armour

Troops: Grey Knight Strike Squad (6#, 160 pts)
1 Grey Knight Strike Squad
1 Justicar + Nemesis Force Halberd
1 Grey Knight + Nemesis Force Halberd
2 Grey Knights
1 Grey Knight + Psillencer
1 Razorback + Psybolt Ammunition

Heavy Support: Nemesis Dreadknight (1#, 230 pts)
1 Nemesis Dreadknight + Personal Teleporter + Nemesis Greatsword

Heavy Support: Nemesis Dreadknight (1#, 230 pts)
1 Nemesis Dreadknight + Personal Teleporter + Nemesis Greatsword

So an Unbound list?

Those don't get Objective Secure...

How did you figure that out?

You have too many Elites in one detachment, but that could just be the formatting you used as it states 3# as well?

Can you also remove the point cost?
That information should never be posted here.

I Have 1 elite, A paladin squad of 3....

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
How did you figure that out?

Maybe it's the formatting...
Where are your Troops? I see them for the Allied detachments, but not the primary one.
And you can't ally with yourself...

Ok, it is definitely the formatting. I tried to put the allied inquisors above the squads they will be leading. The 2 inquisitors are the only allies, allied in from Codex:Inquisition, the rest is the CAD selected from codex: grey knights

rigeld2 wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
How did you figure that out?

Maybe it's the formatting...
Where are your Troops? I see them for the Allied detachments, but not the primary one.
And you can't ally with yourself...

Almost certainly codex:I allies, in which case the troops are for the CAD from GK. means you're not allying with yourself

If you can find 70pts you could replace the gGrand master with Driago, makes your Paladins Teoops, still has Grand Strategy, and with a 3++ and Eternal warrior really adds to the unit. With Divination Orecognition makes him ridiculous, and with your chances for Sactuary he is likely to net a 2++. He's a better option IMO, although AP2 and Rad Grenades are nice, Driago is my man.

I also love draigo. But squeezing 70 points out just isn't do able if I want to keep my inquisitors. Plus I want to keep the rad grenades and brain mines. With rad grenades, brain mines, and a thunder hammer combined with hammerhand he is instant killing riptides... Without even needing to activate his force weapon...