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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/08 14:13:41
Subject: Vostroyan firstborn questions
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Kinebrach-Knobbling Xeno Interrogator
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promising to provide the first-born son of every Vostroyan family to the service of the Imperial Guard.THIS is what they wrote in the codex , but does Vostroyan send other troops other than firstborn ? This question had been in my head since I first bought the codex 3 years ago .I know Vostroya is a huge planet but is there enough firstborn child in their world to be sent to the firstborn regiments ? This is also a bad thing because the first child can never take over the family buisness
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/08 15:26:40
Subject: Vostroyan firstborn questions
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Slippery Scout Biker
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Vostroya's population is about 9.5 billion according to Lexicanum. If we assume the average household has 5 people (Mom, Pop, and the kids) that means...1.8 billion people, on average, are serving in the Firstborn regiments.
That's almost 2000 times as many Vostroyans as there are Space Marines loyal to the Imperium.
Now as for how many regiments that equals there is no set number for the size of a regiment but lets say 10,000 men make up an average regiment. That means that there are 180,000 regiments of Vostroyans across the galaxy.
So needless to say I don't think recruitment would be an issue even with only the firstborn being recruited. And theyre regiments must be fairly large as I doubt that any planet has +100K regiments under its banner.
NOTE: my estimate is hardly concrete as we don't know family size and I took the numbers from general population and didn't account for only 1 or 2 generations being on activ duty
As for the family business thing thats something even the culture here in America has drifted away from. If your 1st born has to serve then the 2nd born can simply takeo n the business or a family friend.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/08 16:18:33
Subject: Vostroyan firstborn questions
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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In the past, when it was important for noble families to keep their wealth concentrated, the common practice was for the first son to inherit everything and subsequent sons to enter the military or the priesthood. There's no reason Vostroya couldn't have a reverse of that where the firstborn goes into the military and subsequent kids get the inheritance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/08 20:54:20
Subject: Vostroyan firstborn questions
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Lit By the Flames of Prospero
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Verstaka wrote:Vostroya's population is about 9.5 billion according to Lexicanum. If we assume the average household has 5 people (Mom, Pop, and the kids) that means...1.8 billion people, on average, are serving in the Firstborn regiments.
That's almost 2000 times as many Vostroyans as there are Space Marines loyal to the Imperium.
Now as for how many regiments that equals there is no set number for the size of a regiment but lets say 10,000 men make up an average regiment. That means that there are 180,000 regiments of Vostroyans across the galaxy.
So needless to say I don't think recruitment would be an issue even with only the firstborn being recruited. And theyre regiments must be fairly large as I doubt that any planet has +100K regiments under its banner.
NOTE: my estimate is hardly concrete as we don't know family size and I took the numbers from general population and didn't account for only 1 or 2 generations being on activ duty
As for the family business thing thats something even the culture here in America has drifted away from. If your 1st born has to serve then the 2nd born can simply takeo n the business or a family friend.
In regards to the population of Vostroya, that is the population of the planet. That doesn't include all the Guardsmen already out there, that means that 9.5 billion is what was left after all the Firstborn had been shipped off.
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Muh Black Templars
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/10 23:03:15
Subject: Vostroyan firstborn questions
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Metaljunx wrote:promising to provide the first-born son of every Vostroyan family to the service of the Imperial Guard.THIS is what they wrote in the codex , but does Vostroyan send other troops other than firstborn ? This question had been in my head since I first bought the codex 3 years ago .I know Vostroya is a huge planet but is there enough firstborn child in their world to be sent to the firstborn regiments ? This is also a bad thing because the first child can never take over the family buisness
It is rare in the Imperium for the average citizens of any planet to not have a job, a spouse, and off-spring, once they reach whatever age is deemed "appropriate" for such things in the culture of that world. So, yeah, it's very easy for Vostroya to have more than enough families to send the first-born child (formerly son, but FFG's Only War permits female Vostroyans) to the Guard. In some cases, some skullduggery will replace the first-born with a junior child, generally because the first-born has some kind of birth-defect or other issue that would risk shaming the family, but otherwise it's a widely-accepted and celebrated practice of the planet.
And so what if the first-born can't take over the family business? That's what your subsequent children are for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 16:01:49
Subject: Vostroyan firstborn questions
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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In fact, that pledge would make Vostroya one of the most militirised world in the universe. Only planets like Cadia could surpased that in terms of proportion. It basically means that 20% of the world population is eather a soldier, a cadet or a retired veterent or at the very least promised to serve. That is considering that Vostroyan have in average 5 children by family (wich statistically make sense for a world with life condition similar with early 20th century, if they had a similar life condition than modern Europe it would be 70% of the world population). To help you visualise that, if the USA had a similar recruiting strategie and a identical age pyramid to Vostroya there would be 60 million persons (about 45 millions in age of fighting) serving in the USA army, training in there facilities, promised to serve or retired. Has of now there is around 500 000 persons serving in that army making it the third biggest in the world (largest being North Corea and than China).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 16:10:23
Subject: Vostroyan firstborn questions
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Nigel Stillman
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Verstaka wrote:Vostroya's population is about 9.5 billion according to Lexicanum. If we assume the average household has 5 people (Mom, Pop, and the kids) that means...1.8 billion people, on average, are serving in the Firstborn regiments.
That's almost 2000 times as many Vostroyans as there are Space Marines loyal to the Imperium.
Now as for how many regiments that equals there is no set number for the size of a regiment but lets say 10,000 men make up an average regiment. That means that there are 180,000 regiments of Vostroyans across the galaxy.
I figured something similar to this when I was making my regiment only I figured in a 5% of the world population.
Basically its a mind boggling number of bodies either way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 16:10:36
Subject: Vostroyan firstborn questions
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Lieutenant Colonel
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I was under the impression the first born sons were given the best training and such, so that they would make the best "tithe to the imperium" offering that vostroya could possibly make.
kids after the 1st I assume would still go into planetary defence and so on, plus I am sure that exceptionally skilled/eager candidates would be added to the roster.
but yeah... big planet, even with just the first born it could raise a lot of troops.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 16:56:55
Subject: Re:Vostroyan firstborn questions
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Vostroya is, primarily, an industrial world. Its population makes high quality wargear.
The 1st born are payback for not sending troops during the Heresy, but the planet continues in its primary function of producing high quality weaponry(and the highest are reserved for the first born)
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/18 17:12:26
Subject: Vostroyan firstborn questions
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Ma55ter_fett wrote: Verstaka wrote:Vostroya's population is about 9.5 billion according to Lexicanum. If we assume the average household has 5 people (Mom, Pop, and the kids) that means...1.8 billion people, on average, are serving in the Firstborn regiments.
That's almost 2000 times as many Vostroyans as there are Space Marines loyal to the Imperium.
Now as for how many regiments that equals there is no set number for the size of a regiment but lets say 10,000 men make up an average regiment. That means that there are 180,000 regiments of Vostroyans across the galaxy.
I figured something similar to this when I was making my regiment only I figured in a 5% of the world population.
Basically its a mind boggling number of bodies either way.
Even if you went with 5% of the population(as active service) that is still 475 million soldiers.
A Full regiment is 5 full battalions, of 5 Full companies, of 5 full Platoons of 5 Full squads; which is a base 6325 men(when you add command sections to each level); Plus Vehicle support, Plus auxiliary support(Not necessarily Ogryns, but Heavy weapons squads); This would be a front-line regiment, an Artillery regiment is likely to have a few less bodies but more vehicles, and an Armouered regiment would definitely have less men.
BTW that 475 million is a little under 75,099 Regiments.
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