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Don't want to sound like a broken record with this particular issue but I have had totally different responses in game depending on what army I am playing against.

A Walker is a vehicle, but it moves and shoots like Infantry from what I can determine in the rulebook. This I get no questions.

Vehicles have the special rule Relentless that stats:

"Relentless models can shoot with Heavy, Salvo or Ordnance weapons, counting as stationary, even if they moved in the previous Movement phase. They are also allowed to charge in the same turn they fire Heavy, Ordnance, Rapid Fire or Salvo weapons."

This I understand as well.

The interpretation of Infantry and Relentless is where my opposition has been giving me different opinions on the subject.

RAW states:

"A Walker that moved can still fire all of its weapons in the subsequent Shooting phase."

The way I am understanding this, the Walker, as a vehicle has the Relentless Special Rule and thus is able to shoot Heavy, Salvo, Ordnance as if he was stationary. Meaning, he shoots at his full BS skill and not as a snapshot. My opponents however disagree. Some say that because they move and shoot like Infantry, they must snapshot heavy weapons as Infantry do when they move.

Others have said they are allowed to shoot, for example the single shot missile from a ML, but not anything that has a template.

One guy said walkers don't have Relentless but he is ignored because I know the walker does.

So which interpretation of these rule combinations is correct?

You're correct.

He has relentless. Use the counter of terminators, who are relentless infantry

 azreal13 wrote:
You're correct.

This helps, thanks very much.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:
He has relentless. Use the counter of terminators, who are relentless infantry

This helps a lot too, thank you

Walkers move and shoot like infantry.

Walkers are vehicles giving them the relentless special rule

Therefore walkers move and shoot like relentless infantry....

"A Walker that moved can still fire all of its weapons in the subsequent Shooting phase."

This bit is most likely referring to how it is different from the way other vehicles work, as if they move they usually cannot fire all of their weapons at full BS.

 Leonus wrote:
"A Walker that moved can still fire all of its weapons in the subsequent Shooting phase."

This bit is most likely referring to how it is different from the way other vehicles work, as if they move they usually cannot fire all of their weapons at full BS.

Mostly wondering because it states they can shoot them all, not they can shoot them all at full BS

What leads you to believe it would be less than full BS?

rigeld2 wrote:
What leads you to believe it would be less than full BS?

As it moves and shoots like Infantry, which have to snapshot heavy weapons. I already have the answer, it's just worded really weird in the text.

Zodiark wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
What leads you to believe it would be less than full BS?

As it moves and shoots like Infantry, which have to snapshot heavy weapons. I already have the answer, it's just worded really weird in the text.

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It's still a vehicle and shoots like one.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Zodiark wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
What leads you to believe it would be less than full BS?

As it moves and shoots like Infantry, which have to snapshot heavy weapons. I already have the answer, it's just worded really weird in the text.

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It's still a vehicle and shoots like one.

Then it suffers the same restrictions as a vehicle when it moves and vehicles only fire full BS when they are stationary. Combat Speed gives them full BS of one gun, snapshot of everything else, Cruising speed gives them all snapshots.

Don't think a walker can both move like Infantry and shoot like Vehicle. I'm actually fairly sure about that, lemme double check my book.

Yeah it just states:

"A Walker that moved can still fire all of its weapons in the subsequent Shooting Phase" It makes zero mention of whether this is a Snap Shot or at full BS which brought me to this thread in the first place.

Again, I already found the answer, just would like a "how" this answer was gotten.

Zodiark wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Zodiark wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
What leads you to believe it would be less than full BS?

As it moves and shoots like Infantry, which have to snapshot heavy weapons. I already have the answer, it's just worded really weird in the text.

'
It's still a vehicle and shoots like one.

Then it suffers the same restrictions as a vehicle when it moves and vehicles only fire full BS when they are stationary. Combat Speed gives them full BS of one gun, snapshot of everything else, Cruising speed gives them all snapshots.

Don't think a walker can both move like Infantry and shoot like Vehicle. I'm actually fairly sure about that, lemme double check my book.

Yeah it just states:

"A Walker that moved can still fire all of its weapons in the subsequent Shooting Phase" It makes zero mention of whether this is a Snap Shot or at full BS which brought me to this thread in the first place.

Again, I already found the answer, just would like a "how" this answer was gotten.

Vehicles are Relentless. Walkers are Vehicles. Therefore there's no penalty for moving and firing Heavy weapons.
Walkers do not move Cruising or Combat speed. Therefore there's no penalty for moving Cruising or Combat speed.

rigeld2 wrote:

Zodiark wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Zodiark wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
What leads you to believe it would be less than full BS?

As it moves and shoots like Infantry, which have to snapshot heavy weapons. I already have the answer, it's just worded really weird in the text.

'
It's still a vehicle and shoots like one.

Then it suffers the same restrictions as a vehicle when it moves and vehicles only fire full BS when they are stationary. Combat Speed gives them full BS of one gun, snapshot of everything else, Cruising speed gives them all snapshots.

Don't think a walker can both move like Infantry and shoot like Vehicle. I'm actually fairly sure about that, lemme double check my book.

Yeah it just states:

"A Walker that moved can still fire all of its weapons in the subsequent Shooting Phase" It makes zero mention of whether this is a Snap Shot or at full BS which brought me to this thread in the first place.

Again, I already found the answer, just would like a "how" this answer was gotten.

Vehicles are Relentless. Walkers are Vehicles. Therefore there's no penalty for moving and firing Heavy weapons.
Walkers do not move Cruising or Combat speed. Therefore there's no penalty for moving Cruising or Combat speed.

Yes this is the answer I already know, thanks for repeating it.

Zodiark wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Zodiark wrote:
Again, I already found the answer, just would like a "how" this answer was gotten.

Vehicles are Relentless. Walkers are Vehicles. Therefore there's no penalty for moving and firing Heavy weapons.
Walkers do not move Cruising or Combat speed. Therefore there's no penalty for moving Cruising or Combat speed.

Yes this is the answer I already know, thanks for repeating it.

I underlined why I repeated it. You appeared confused as to how the rules worked (especially as you said "As it moves and shoots like Infantry, which have to snapshot heavy weapons. I already have the answer, it's just worded really weird in the text." when it's absolutely clear).

rigeld2 wrote:

Zodiark wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Zodiark wrote:
Again, I already found the answer, just would like a "how" this answer was gotten.

Vehicles are Relentless. Walkers are Vehicles. Therefore there's no penalty for moving and firing Heavy weapons.
Walkers do not move Cruising or Combat speed. Therefore there's no penalty for moving Cruising or Combat speed.

Yes this is the answer I already know, thanks for repeating it.

I underlined why I repeated it. You appeared confused as to how the rules worked (especially as you said "As it moves and shoots like Infantry, which have to snapshot heavy weapons. I already have the answer, it's just worded really weird in the text." when it's absolutely clear).

It's actually not clear, otherwise I wouldn't need to ask the question in the first place. Read entire threads and not just the most recent comments when you post please.


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Zodiark wrote:
Don't want to sound like a broken record with this particular issue but I have had totally different responses in game depending on what army I am playing against.

A Walker is a vehicle, but it moves and shoots like Infantry from what I can determine in the rulebook. This I get no questions.

Vehicles have the special rule Relentless that stats:

"Relentless models can shoot with Heavy, Salvo or Ordnance weapons, counting as stationary, even if they moved in the previous Movement phase. They are also allowed to charge in the same turn they fire Heavy, Ordnance, Rapid Fire or Salvo weapons."

This I understand as well.

The interpretation of Infantry and Relentless is where my opposition has been giving me different opinions on the subject.

RAW states:

"A Walker that moved can still fire all of its weapons in the subsequent Shooting phase."

The way I am understanding this, the Walker, as a vehicle has the Relentless Special Rule and thus is able to shoot Heavy, Salvo, Ordnance as if he was stationary. Meaning, he shoots at his full BS skill and not as a snapshot. My opponents however disagree. Some say that because they move and shoot like Infantry, they must snapshot heavy weapons as Infantry do when they move.

Others have said they are allowed to shoot, for example the single shot missile from a ML, but not anything that has a template.

One guy said walkers don't have Relentless but he is ignored because I know the walker does.

So which interpretation of these rule combinations is correct?

As you can see, I knew the answer from the start, just needed a second opinion to make sure. I wanted to know exactly how so that I can correct my friends when we play and it turned out that I had the answer in the first place.

The stationary Vehicle3s rule has the exact same verbiage as a walker shooting: May fire all of it's weaponry.

There is no at full BS caveat in the basic stationary vehicles rules, but we extrapolate this from the rest of the rules regar4ding a number of weapons that can be fired.

Oh, and walkers absolutely do not shoo9t like infantry, they merely run like them.

So you have two separate sets of rules defining how movement works with shooting.

The first set applies to everything, saying that you must fire snap shots with certain types of weapons after moving (vehicles still have this rule applied to them, but all vehicles are given the relentless rule, allowing them to ignore it just like a Terminator can).

The second set applies to vehicles only, saying how many weapons they can fire after moving (which is extra rules applied to vehicles only, as normal rules is you may only fire one weapon). Walker rules allows them to ignore THIS set by saying that they may fire all their weapons after moving.

Hello,
First of all sorry for my horrible English, I’m Italian, but I’ll try my best to be understandable.
I am a relatively new to this world but I am also a bit of a rule maniac (I suppose we all are).
Since last Sunday I lost my Monolith and Ark to a sneaky War Walker I looked in the matter and I read a few forums (like this one) and e feel it could be useful to give my imput to the discussion and see if you agree of my interpretation.
I have read all your comments, and I agree on the fact that since Walkers are for most purposes also vehicles, if not differently stated, vehicles rules should be applied to them.
But…
I noticed that in the summary of the abilities of the unit there is only written “hammer of wrath” special rule, but as said before, if differently stated, for me vehicles rules should be applied all the same.
Then, for curiosity I went to look ant Super Heavy Walkers special rules, and here Relentless has been inserted.
Logic tells me that if they had to appositely write the rule for the Super Heavy Walkers it is not automatic for all walkers…
Let me know your vision of the matter.
Personally I think that GW should clarify the matter.

Walkers are vehicles and all vehicles have the relentless rule.

The rule "vehicle" confers a lot of special rules already, so they are not repeated.

Covered above.

Also thread Necro? And Image resize issue?

Yes sorry, oversized!
I will upload something more modest later on
Ok I’ll keep to what you tell me.
The fact that GW writes again relentless in the abilities of the super heavy walkers must be a mistake.
Thanks to all.