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all looking great. I might try something similar for my own ork army, although personally i'd give him shooty weapons and use him to 'count as' a dreadnought

I felt brave enough yesterday to sculpt some stitching and folds, so I did before I went out to see Ghost Rider (which I enjoyed, though I think I'd like it better with the sound off). I haven't forgotten about this project! I've just run out of greenstuff.

so, can we assume that after seing Ghost Rider you want to give your big guy there spiked shoulder pads and a big chaine around his chest
I'm sure it would look cool.

ant offf topic: everthing in thaT movie except the rider and Nick Cage SUCKED!

The sculpting is awesome, jamsessionein! I can't wait to see how it will look when it's finished.

Wow, those legs and boots are looking incredible!

He does look like he needs to be tearing something apart. I'll scavenge around and see what I have to donate to this awesome cause
You said you have Guardsmen on your Stompa's base? I think I have a few parts leftover from when I was working on my Destroyer tank-hunters, so I may be able to find you bits of Leman Russ, or even the crew figures from the IG accessory sprue.

He can have a diorama behind him showing where he stomped through a split in half Leman Russ. ^_^

Good work as always Ein.

Right!

To preface this, I'm going to apologize: both for not having worked on this model in quite some time, and for not really having much to contribute with this particular post other than a number of questions regarding sculpting.

Now that we've got that out of the way...

Every so often I get one of those projects that just comes back to life a little bit for me when I feel particularly bored, inspired, or just want to put off the work I should be doing. I've been gazing at this warboss for a while and come to a few conclusions, most of which I will save for later.

I feel kind've dodgy about reviving this simply to post a little flash animation, but it's more an attempt to solicit help than anything. I've never been particularly strong when it comes to sculpting, so you might be able to understand my hesitations.

Click on this thing.

I took some close up pictures of the bits I'm working with here. Ghazzie's head is there mostly to provide references of features - the two aren't exactly to scale to eachother because I simply scaled them down in two separate photographs after I took the pictures. Rather, Ghazzie's face is to illustrate normal ork proportions.

I've placed lines in roughly where I think features would dictate to try and make it appropriately orky. The coloring bits are just to try and give you a reference of what it might look like post-sculpting, as it's somewhat of a hard image to read with just the lines.

I've pretty much figured out that I need to cut the 'jowls' down a bit on either side with a dremel in order to get the proper jawline I want. Same thing with the jawbones by the eyes, really.

I've also pretty much ascertained that it's far easier to sculpt in steps, but this is where I get a bit confused. I'm not really sure where to even begin sculpting on this. It would seem to me that the first order of business post-dremelling is to extend the head up in a round shape and let it dry, and I get the impression the eyes should probably be done in their own, separate step so that I can sculpt the upper and lower eyelids over it without too much of an issue.

Really, I'm just not sure how to break this down into actual sculpting. Like, I'm not sure if I should try getting those jawbones sculpted out all in one go, or what.

My thoughts on this are if I botch it horribly, I can always give him a helmet with some horns. Hell, I might do that anyway.

Really, though, I've never done something like this, and the face is probably one of the most important features on this fella, so I wanted to solicit a bit of feedback about how I should go about sculpting this. I'm more than willing to just gung-ho try it and peel it off if it doesn't work, but I don't know if I'd be able to properly nail the orky facial proportions if I did that.

So, again. Sorry. I know it's sort of lame to revive a thread like this, but I've been inspired by looking at a couple other warbosses as of late and this guy deserves a bit more of my attentions.

Firstly, I dont think anyone thinks its lame to revive this thread, I for one would love to see him finished.

Ive never sculpted a ork face, but ive done afew humans, and 40 ork arms (My scar boyz have arms like those outlined on the waaagh forums blueprint page). Ive found that sculpting faces is best done from a point of refrence working in a direction. I would, post fileing, the cheeks not including the cheek bones. then the teeth, then the cheekbones, then the top of the head, followed by the ears and eyes, and finally the nose. Atleast thats how i would try it, i may go off and try to biggie size my up and coming scar boy nob, and if i get to that before you post again, ill let you know how it went and what worked.

Actually one of the posters on this forum has sculpted a sweet ork head, insaniak. You should pm him, http://www.underthecouch.net/utc/modules/gallery/albums/album04/megaboss1.jpg is the link to the warboss.

good hunting

So, let's dig this up.

I did do a fair bit of work on this project before I realized I was in a bit over my head; none of the heads I had in my bitz bins were even close to right for this gigantic body, and a lot of the musculature that I had dremelled to shape needed a fair bit of resurfacing.

For this, I went to my good buddy Nozeminer over at The-Waaagh forums. Noze is a talented sculptor with an eye for detail and I managed to get him to agree to help me with the project. Off the boss went, with my fingers crossed.

I got the boss back today, and I have to say he did an astonishing job. He smoothed over and redefined all of the musculature on the boss's back, and sculpted a brand new face for the warboss that looks much orkier than the preexisting troll head. I have to share it because of how great he looks.









Here he is with an average marine:



He may not have any forearms or hands yet, but I'm pretty sure he could bludgeon the marine to death with the stumps if he wanted to.

Noze added in some fangs on the lower jaw, but they broke off in shipping and I couldn't locate them in the box. This isn't such a huge issue, as I'll simply carve some new replacements out of styrene.

Now for those of you who might not be understanding the forearms thing, the reason the sculpting stopped there is because I intend on manufacturing a pair of gigantic bionic arms and fists that join onto the body at around the elbow area. (Part of my Boss's fluff; he lost both arms, and has huge mechanical replacements). This will probably not be coming immediately just because I want to finish one other project I'm working on at the moment first, but aside from that it's at the top of my to-do list, because I very badly want to paint this fella up.

Noze did a damn fine job, his sculpting talent has always impressed me.

Really glad you got back around to this guy Ein. The troll model is so feral, I knew it would be a gnarly boss if/when you got it finished. Looking great so far!

(Also, re: scale comp shot with marine, that's the perfect terrified marine pose. I can almost hear him soiling his power armor)

I'm simply stunned!

Great work and keep it going.

Tremendous!

Great work from both of you! I've just caught up with this thread and it's great to see it from your inspired thought to it's present state. Nozeminer has a good eye for detail and clearly a reasonable understanding of anatomy for those nicely sculpted muscles.

Keep going with it, and your many other superb projects!

Any chance of a picture of your whole ork horde?

Hehe, that size comparison shot with the marine is ace, I can almost hear him saying "I think I should've brought a bigger gun"

Fabulous work so far, can't wait to see more of him!

Holy Son of Bruce Banner, that is damned nice work by your contracted sculptor... and credit to you for the concept, and what it promises. Just a matter of waiting now...

Great work again. I follow a lot of your blogs and I almost always like what I see. This is no exception...

The shot with the marine looks to me more like a guy standing up to a bully. The bully is yelling and about to clobber the guy and he simply states: no, this is my bolter' in a timid little voice, while trying to figure out a way to survive what is coming

great work and keep it up. I hope that the next update is not 3 or 4 months away...

Thats a sweet conversion. However I wonder if you could have just saved yourself the price of the troll and sculpted it from scratch? It looks like there is almost nothing showing from the original model.

That's awesome. completely awesome. the whole model reeks of orkiness. The musculature and face are incredible. I can't wait to see what you do for the hands and weapons.

dave, its alot easier to work from a solid base, otherwise you would have to start with a wire frame, then epoxy it, then start with the GS, much easier to start on a nice base and allows you to keep the rough shape and pose as such.

looks great, puts me to shame with ease XD

ChaosDave wrote:Thats a sweet conversion. However I wonder if you could have just saved yourself the price of the troll and sculpted it from scratch? It looks like there is almost nothing showing from the original model.

This sort've bloomed into a much different project than what was originally discussed. I thought I could just dremel the spikes off the skin and I'd be set, but my results were only halfway towards what I wanted. Noze really turned this into a work of art.

Just as a general response to the discussion in the thread: Both arms will be bionic replacement fists. However, one of these fists will be clutching an equally huge axe, because some games I may have a lapse of judgement and run the boss with just a Big Choppa instead of the ever-proppa Power Klaw.

Moving on!

So I have an unhealthy attachment to toy stores. I go in there and root around for stuff that could potentially be used for Warhammer conversions. Today I came across an unusual toy that I thought had a bit of potential: a megaman action figure. Of course, it's not like megaman that I remember from all those years ago, as he seems to have been given a new and trendy facelift for the younger generation, but I won't get into that. I picked the model up because it had a fist looking thing on it that looked absolutely delicious for use on my giant warboss.



Unfortunately I overestimated the boss's size a bit, so the fist is too ludicrously huge to be of any use on him, despite what my warboss thinks.





However, the general shape is pretty much perfect for what I have in mind for the arm, so I wanted to scratchbuild myself one following the same general profile (with some more obviously orky detailing).

With the wonders of forced perspective, I'm able to 'scale down' the arm bit a tad to the size I think is more appropriate for the warboss:



That look about right? It looks pretty easy to build, to be honest, but for one small detail: I don't have the styrene for it. My largest styrene tubes go up to 1/2" diameter, and I need bigger stuff to do this arm properly. I've been searching around, but I can't seem to find a source of styrene tubing that will provide me with larger diameters. There's PVC pipe, but that's too big and too thick (like 1/4" around the diameter of the tube!).

I may go out on a scavenger hunt in town, looking for pens that are about the right size to be cut up, because I can't think of any other way to get the plastic I need for this.

You know, that's going to be Gork's own warboss. I'm really liking it! But you know what he needs for his klaw. Yes, you know what the perfect klaw would be. It needs to be the one he ripped off a Defiler last time he was fighting Chaos.
In all seriousness, I'm not sure if it would be too big, or just right, but I think that if the size is right it would be the gak.

I find those fists to be way too big for the model; granted I haven't read any of the thread... just looking at the photos.

On the other hand, the model looks awesome!

Okay.

I did a little walking around town and picked up three pens that looked like they'd be the right size at the dollar store.

Brought em back, hacked em up, and this is what I have to show for it:





The metal hands are just placeholders for now from another model I had that just happens to fit. They will be replaced with robotic equivalents, though the left one will not be holding the base of a trigger to a gun like it is now.

Unfortunately, this is where I have to leave it for now, because I have an absurd amount of work to do for school tomorrow and I need all the time I can get.

Look out, or you will end up with an ork Marneus Calgar.

The powerfist is rather refined, however you wont need to glyph it up too much, it is obviously looted rather than of ork construction.

The question is looted from what?

Too small for titans, too big for dreads, too many fingers for a tau mecha, too blocky for eldar. I think this powerfist was looted from an Imperial knight.

I gotta say I don't like the hands. It's looking too much like a buff weirdboy.

I still think you should stick to your idea of sculpting over the model's original hands. If they're bionic/power klaws the number of fingers won't matter.

The head you have on there looks great but the Warboss head from the Black Reach warboss would have been about the right size! (I know it didn't exist when the project started.)

Brian P wrote:I gotta say I don't like the hands. It's looking too much like a buff weirdboy.

I still think you should stick to your idea of sculpting over the model's original hands. If they're bionic/power klaws the number of fingers won't matter.

The head you have on there looks great but the Warboss head from the Black Reach warboss would have been about the right size! (I know it didn't exist when the project started.)

Have to disagree with the Black Reach boss head thing. The one on him now is about 1.5 times larger than the Black Reach Boss; I'll take a scale photo later for comparison.

By 'the hands', are you referring to the metal hand bits themselves? I mentioned they were only temporary in my last post - they're just there to help visualize what it might look like once I manufacture the bionic replacements.

I think some looted tau Bs shoulder rockets would look cool strapped to his back, or other things, like a huge chaingun strapped onto him, but guns strapped to his back would be sweet, or a chain glave in one hand.....or two

if the awesomeness of the warboss determined the power and awesomeness of the rest ofthe army
you would never lose