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Kinda funny how often this comes up. Quite frankily I could careless who wins the best painted, more often than not I don't agree with the army that wins best paint anyway. But that is how the voting system works we each have differing views on what is cool and amazing.

As far as paynig for painting, I can see the appeal for sure when you are working alot making in the upper middle income area time becomes the much more valuable commodity than than money. In fact I know I tend to have a much different view of money than many of my friends. I can always get more money but time is the one thing we can never get more off. Spending several hundred to get stuff painted is hardly an amount worth blinking an eye over at least to me anyway.

The fact that so many seem to think it is sacriledge is just more elitist garbage that gives 40k players and wargaming in general a bad rep.

Honestly, I think GW has finally settled on the best approach.

If you don't paint your own stuff, you win Best General and can't win Overall or Best Painted.

Personally, I just think that if you're at a tournament, best Overall should probably be going to Best General assuming that his Sports Score isn't trash, but if people want Painting to be a major contributor to winning overall, then the current US system seems to be pretty good.

Voodoo Boyz wrote:Personally, I just think that if you're at a tournament, best Overall should probably be going to Best General assuming that his Sports Score isn't trash, but if people want Painting to be a major contributor to winning overall, then the current US system seems to be pretty good.

I agree with that.

Painting should not be a part of who's the overall winner - it should be it's own catagory, then overall should be based on Sportsmanship and Generalship.

ChrisAsmadi wrote:

Voodoo Boyz wrote:Personally, I just think that if you're at a tournament, best Overall should probably be going to Best General assuming that his Sports Score isn't trash, but if people want Painting to be a major contributor to winning overall, then the current US system seems to be pretty good.

I agree with that.

Painting should not be a part of who's the overall winner - it should be it's own catagory, then overall should be based on Sportsmanship and Generalship.

FYI, they have those. They're called 'Ardboyz tournaments. You can play against gray armies to your heart's content.

My vote is for:

Segregate all paint/appearance/theme scores from battle/sportsmanship scores. Keep them completely independent with no influence on each other, and hold the two as separate tournaments at the same venue.

Never mix the two and you eliminate good a chunk of the problem.

As for pro-paints being submitted to a painting tournament by someone other than the painter. I don't like it and I don't think it's ethical (unless the painter asked you to submit it for them), but I don't see how to prevent it unless you require the painter to signature all pieces of work within the work itself. But even if you could get people to do that, it still isn't flawless. Its just another hurdle for the would-be "cheater".

But that's all that restrictions and rules are anyway. Hurdles for the unethical to attempt to bypass.

As for group efforts:
In a pure painting competition, just credit each contributor no matter who the actual submitter is. Again, there is no way to enforce it (unless you require video evidence of the entire process). The person who is really losing when someone submits another artists work is that artist, not the other entrants to the competition. The artist loses recognition.

The whole process always has and always will rely on the honesty and integrity of the persons participating. There is no way around it.