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Basically it was chanting all the most repetitive hymns over and over again. Over the years I have forgotten the exact hymns so cant help you there.

Nothing sinister until you realise that sleep deprevation and high energy meals were part of Guantanamo bay's strategy for beaking the spirit of inmates. When the brain is subjected to extreme tiredness staved off by a permanent sugar rush it loses its higher powers of reason and becomes highly succeptable to suggestion.

Yani....Come on get real.

Your acting like your experience at Baptist Christian camp was like joining the moonies or something.




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generalgrog wrote:Yani....Come on get real.

Your acting like your experience at Baptist Christian camp was like joining the moonies or something.




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Wow. This thread is now complete: Not only do we have refusal to believe the veracity of positive descriptions of scientific method, we also have refusal to believe the veracity of negative descriptions of a cult.

Oh and despite what all members of religious faiths will say, EVERY sect, denomination, etc. IS a cult, by definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

Lordhat wrote:Wow. This thread is now complete: Not only do we have refusal to believe the veracity of positive descriptions of scientific method, we also have refusal to believe the veracity of negative descriptions of a cult.

Oh and despite what all members of religious faiths will say, EVERY sect, denomination, etc. IS a cult, by definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

Well now that we’ve got your effort at wordplay to score a political point the thread is nearing completion.

Look, yes, by the dictionary definition you have cult as any group that gets together in worship, but calling all religious groups cults is never, never about describing them as groups that worship together. It is all about pretending they’re the same thing. This is especially the case in the context of one poster talking about a group using brainwashing techniques common among groups like the Moonies, and another poster coming in to point out that a word commonly associated with very bad things can be used to describe all religious groups.

So stop it. Because a group that gets together in the local rec centre every other Tuesday and talks about God while having a cup of tea is very different from a group that targets impressionable youths and uses starvation and separation anxiety to break down their psyche.



Oh, and yani and generalgrog, I’ve never heard of a Baptist group turning into a cult, but it doesn’t mean it can't or hasn’t happened somewhere. It also doesn’t mean anything for the greater Baptist community.

There's always going to be a big divide on this issue, whether or not people 'believe' in either one.

Previous comments saying you need "facts" to found a degree. That's nonsense. You can have a degree in philosophy, or theology... or even String Physics.

Personally I see no problem in learning about creationism. A lot of 'pure scientists' (read: forum tfg) will immediately dismiss creationism becuase it's kinda fashionable to do so. A lot of liberal creationists have some excellent points, and to be honest have more evidence than a lot of evolutionists.

Evolution is a theory: FACT. There is no proof per se, and so is still taught as theory; rightly so.

To claim that Darwinists have all the answers, and anyone who believes otherwise is a frankly stupid opinion.

Personally I sit if the fence of the whole issue, hedging my bets. Until someone shows me irrefutable proof of either, I'm happy to have "a little bit of both" in my life.

Tek wrote:There's always going to be a big divide on this issue, whether or not people 'believe' in either one.

Previous comments saying you need "facts" to found a degree. That's nonsense. You can have a degree in philosophy, or theology... or even String Physics.

No, what you need is an extensive school of knowledge, such that at the end of the process a degree means you have achieved an impressive level of understanding. For example, if you became a bachelor of philosophy it would expected that you understand the writings of Plato, Thomas Aquinas, Hobbes, Kant, Descartes and whoever else. It means you understand the concepts of idealism, realism, existentialism and all the rest. It means you understand the evolution of the debate of these topics over many thousands of years.

Whereas knowing creationism means you know what? You have a collection of nitpicks about evolution and nothing else.

Personally I see no problem in learning about creationism. A lot of 'pure scientists' (read: forum tfg) will immediately dismiss creationism becuase it's kinda fashionable to do so. A lot of liberal creationists have some excellent points, and to be honest have more evidence than a lot of evolutionists.

No, no, no. Creationists are rejected because they don’t follow scientific methods, and don’t produce peer-reviewed articles for debate. They just make shonky documentaries and youtube movies. They never bother with creating a testable hypothesis of their own and conducting scientific experiments.

They are rejected by the scientific community because they don’t attempt science.

Evolution is a theory: FACT. There is no proof per se, and so is still taught as theory; rightly so.

‘Theory’ means something very different in science, compared to its common use. In science you come up with a model that predicts if you do one thing then something else will result. This is your hypothesis and you test it, study the results and write about why your prediction did or didn’t occur. A large number of such hypothesis will get put together in a greater school of thought, and be called a theory. In this way the work of Galileo, Newton and hundreds of other scientists all got put together in the Theory of Gravity.

To claim that Darwinists have all the answers, and anyone who believes otherwise is a frankly stupid opinion.

No-one should ever claim that evolution has all the answers. Science is about finding new questions, returning to old questions and always testing what we think we know. We’ve spent a hundred odd years testing and revising evolution and we’ve only scratched the surface of what there is to know.

Personally I sit if the fence of the whole issue, hedging my bets. Until someone shows me irrefutable proof of either, I'm happy to have "a little bit of both" in my life.

Don’t do that. There will never be irrefutable proof of evolution, because science doesn’t work that way. There will always be more questions and more details to study and debate. This will continue and add more and more to human knowledge. Meanwhile Creationism will be off in the corner, misquoting scientists and picking out random points and pretending they’re huge insurmountable problems (until solved, at which point they’ll pick something else).

sebster wrote:

‘Theory’ means something very different in science, compared to its common use. In science you come up with a model that predicts if you do one thing then something else will result. This is your hypothesis and you test it, study the results and write about why your prediction did or didn’t occur. A large number of such hypothesis will get put together in a greater school of thought, and be called a theory. In this way the work of Galileo, Newton and hundreds of other scientists all got put together in the Theory of Gravity.

Good point. In order to inject some much needed humour into this debate the above quote reminds me allot of this little cracker from the Onion.

Read and enjoy!

Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm going to get a degree in Spontaneous Generation.

It'll be all the rage.

No no, spontaneous conbustion. Your popularity will just explode.

Yani....Come on get real.



Oh and despite what all members of religious faiths will say, EVERY sect, denomination, etc. IS a cult, by definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

And thats when he closed the thread your honor. Way to insult billions of people there nimrod.