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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 16:46:42
Subject: The thing about guns
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Oh man, just when this thread was really getting good, mr. buzzkillington had to come and spread his cheer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 16:47:33
Subject: The thing about guns
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Who?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 17:04:53
Subject: The thing about guns
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Fixture of Dakka
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Frazzled wrote:Good luck. Its now a petrified skull hand from a living lich king/defender of human rights. No way you're prying it or the cool shades he used to wear, out of his cold dead hands.
If you're not man enough to take it from him just say so.
C'mon lets go home and worship our nuclear bomb.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 17:08:32
Subject: The thing about guns
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Mendez: Glory be to the Bomb, and to the Holy Fallout. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.
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Mendez: May the Blessings of the Bomb Almighty, and the Fellowship of the Holy Fallout, descend upon us all. This day and forever more.
Congregation: [singing] Amen!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 18:08:04
Subject: Re:The thing about guns
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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ok, when i get a new gun... yes i like to show it to friends... just like when i finish converting or painting a model. Yes Bambi vs Hunter dose not end well for Bambi... but said hunter sometimes has to put bambis pee on him http://www.codebluescents.com/productdetail.aspx?id=328779 so really... bambi gets the last laugh. furthermore... if you think its easy to try and sneek up on a deer, then go ahead and TRY. "One more thing"* i would like to see you hit a sheet of paper at 400 yards... after that we will go for a largish garden hose. *a cookie if you know what its from. EDIT1 : yes i know bambi is a male deer... i dont care EDIT2 : but he still tasts good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 18:27:14
Subject: The thing about guns
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Lukus83 wrote:The process of what? Loading a gun, creeping up on an animal and blowing it's brains out?
I believe he was referring to the process of raising and slaughtering livestock, not hunting deer.
I'm sorry if I caused offense but to my mind deer hunting is pretty much the same as fox hunting. Unnecessary.
There does need to be some way to cull the deer population, as many of their natural predators have gone extinct.
Besides you get a decent amount of meat from a deer. You could say hunting is unnecessary because you could ]get meat from a store, but you could just as easily say it's unnecessary to buy meat from a store if you have access to animals you can hunt. Just because you do things one way doesn't make other methods superfluous.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 18:48:52
Subject: The thing about guns
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[DCM]
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Orkeosaurus basically got it. I was more referring to the process of raising and slaughtering livestock, although it's pretty clear that Lukus83 doesn't really know anything about hunting either (I don't mean this as an insult, most people don't know much about hunting, including Americans).
It's especially clear when you compare deer hunting to fox hunting. The only thing they really have in common is that they both have "hunting" in the name. Re-releasing an animal that has no real food value, does not have over-population problems, and that you have already caught just to chase it down again with dogs and horses is not anything like deer hunting, or any other hunting for actual game.
But aside from not addressing the fact that deer meat is a viable source of meat, or the fact that they are overpopulated in many areas, cause massive crop damage on a yearly basis in those areas, and cause tons of car accidents, you haven't really explained why buying meat from the supermarket, most of which is produced in factory farms, is any less barbaric than hunting to supplement your food supply, besides that you don't (generally) have guns in the UK. Maybe vegetable gardens are unnecessary too. After all, we have farmers who grow our vegetables for us! Heaven forbid anyone try to be a little more self-sufficient.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 23:03:45
Subject: The thing about guns
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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I've tried hunting veg.
It's okay to start with but you soon get the hang of how to sneak up on them, then it gets a bit dull.
Now I like to only tackle them with H2H weapons, or even bare-handed. It's more of a challenge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 23:11:15
Subject: The thing about guns
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Fixture of Dakka
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I used to like to eat veggies but the wheelchair can be quite a problem really.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/29 03:35:32
Subject: The thing about guns
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Blackclad Wayfarer
From England. Living in Shanghai
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Ok I have a question for you...Do you hunt?
If so is it because you personally want to help reduce car accidents caused by deer?
Do you want to make sure the homeless shelters have enough food?
Are you trying to save crops?
Are you hungry and either unwilling or unable to go to your local supermarket?
See there are many justifications for and against. I personally think that hunting any animal is unnecessary. You want food, go buy it. You wanna help control population control, start funding a relocation program. Wanna save crops, put a fence up. Wanna reduce car accidents, start putting up signs that say "WATCH FOR DEER - SLOW DOWN"
I have no beef with anyone personally, but there are other ways to deal with all the problems you mentioned above, without the use of a gun!
Of course everyone's entitled to their opinion and I just wanted to state mine. i'm not gonna be looking down on people cos they hunt, I just don't like it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/29 04:06:08
Subject: The thing about guns
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Lukus83 wrote:Ok I have a question for you...Do you hunt? If so is it because you personally want to help reduce car accidents caused by deer? Do you want to make sure the homeless shelters have enough food? Are you trying to save crops? Are you hungry and either unwilling or unable to go to your local supermarket? See there are many justifications for and against. I personally think that hunting any animal is unnecessary. You want food, go buy it. You wanna help control population control, start funding a relocation program. Wanna save crops, put a fence up. Wanna reduce car accidents, start putting up signs that say "WATCH FOR DEER - SLOW DOWN" I have no beef with anyone personally, but there are other ways to deal with all the problems you mentioned above, without the use of a gun! Of course everyone's entitled to their opinion and I just wanted to state mine. i'm not gonna be looking down on people cos they hunt, I just don't like it. How about this reason: "I'm trying to preserve a vital skill for my people. One which will help ensure survival when all other methods fail." Hunting an animal isn't just the act of stalking and killing. There's also proper skinning; Skinning a kill is important if you need the hide for other uses, and isn't an intuitive act. There's also proper dressing of the kill; One wrong cut, like say into the intestines, can actually poison the meat. There's tanning of the hide, which is not easy, but IS labor intensive. A tanned hide is DEFINITELY useful, even if you just sell it in today's economy, not to mention if for some reason there is no economy and you simply need a new pair of pants and a jacket. How to turn the sinew into thread to sew the afore mentioned articles of clothing. All this is just the tip of the iceberg, and yes MOST of these skills are no longer practiced by the vast majority of hunters, but the most important ones are being perpetuated; if you know what spoor to look for, how to determine how old it is, and how to track it to the target without alerting the prey to your presence, then after you (hopefully) kill the target then you'd have that much longer to try to figure out the rest if needed. Edit: Spelling
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/29 06:30:01
Subject: Re:The thing about guns
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Lurking Gaunt
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I have a small gun collection, which I inherited from my father. To honor his memory I plan to keep them and practice with them. Apart from that I'm in the national guard, we get to practice with our weapons about once a year (twice if we have been good little soldiers and the budget allows) and shooting is a perishable skill. you can tell the difference between those who own there own guns (and use them) and those who don't.
When my cousins go hunting they usually share the meat, it tastes different. Not better just different. variety is good though, do you always eat chicken, no sometimes you eat beef (for those vegetarians, you eat a huge variety of vegtables not just brocoli and rice, same priciple with meats) variety helps.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/29 14:53:39
Subject: The thing about guns
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Fixture of Dakka
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Let's keep this going.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/29 19:30:38
Subject: The thing about guns
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Wicked Warp Spider
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Lukus83 wrote:Ok I have a question for you...Do you hunt?
Yes. I have hunted whitetail deer and once, squirrels.
Lukus83 wrote:
If so is it because you personally want to help reduce car accidents caused by deer?
Do you want to make sure the homeless shelters have enough food?
Are you trying to save crops?
Are you hungry and either unwilling or unable to go to your local supermarket?
None of the above actually, though many people in rural areas near me have to kill deer and other pests to prevent loss of crops. I go because I like venison, and I like that feeling that I get of life being very "real", right before I take that shot. I know that sounds odd, but it is the best way I can describe the feeling. When I go with my father, I often go because I worry about him, as he is not a very good outdoorsman, and I want to make sure he gets through the trip alright. In short, it's fun. If you find that immoral, then I have to say that is modern bias, as for the greater part of time humanity has existed we have gathered or hunted our food, and continued to do so even when it wasn't necessary.
If I were unable to go to a supermarket, I couldn't very well get out and go hunting. Why is obtaining meat from a supermarket somehow better than taking it from the land around you?
I get the impression that you feel that since we have supermarkets, we shouldn't hunt, because it is more "civilized" than killing an animal yourself, and that modern slaughterhouses are more humane than hunting. I just don't believe this to be true. Modern slaughterhouses are dank, stinking, dangerous places to work. Historically, the pay for workers was relatively high, but that is no longer the case. Injuries, especially repetitive strain injuries are common. Because of our voracious appetite for red meat, the emphasis is on processing the animals as quickly as possible. Because of the pace, animals are sometimes not stunned correctly, and are being cut open while still conscious. Also, many people don't realize it, but slaughterhouse waste is highly degrading to the environment. Massive amounts of body fluids and "parts" are dumped by slaughterhouses. There is so much manure from the cows being processed that dangerous amounts of hydrogen sulfide can be generated. If you want a good description, read the book Fast Food Nation. I also have proffessional experience in dealing with measurement of oxygen demand of polluted waters, and a spill of slaughterhouse waste is as bad or worse for oxygen demand ( among other things) than a raw sewage spill.
If you're a vegetarian, then I completely empathize with your point of view, and understand how you would not want to kill an animal. I do not understand people who will eat their steaks and hamburger and at the same time complain about how barbaric it is to hunt an animal, and how hunters are so sadistic. These are people who just love that hamburger but wouldn't last ten seconds in a slaughterhouse, or would become ill watching a deer being field dressed.
In other words, I believe that slaughterhouses are not humane, they are merely hiding the reality of life from you, so that you can be "civilized".
I believe my way is at least as humane, if not more so than a commercial slaughterhouse. I can assure you it has much less impact on the environment than buying from a store, and in some circumstances is even beneficial.
When you destroy all the natural predators, like we have, you can argue that the *only* humane thing to do is hunt, since we are the apex predators now and are the only real control.
See there are many justifications for and against. I personally think that hunting any animal is unnecessary. You want food, go buy it. You wanna help control population control, start funding a relocation program. Wanna save crops, put a fence up. Wanna reduce car accidents, start putting up signs that say "WATCH FOR DEER - SLOW DOWN"
I have no beef with anyone personally, but there are other ways to deal with all the problems you mentioned above, without the use of a gun!
Relocate that population where? Somewhere they haven't been before, so they can decimate the native wildlife? With some species, there is no where to relocate them. I don't know where you live, but where I live we have these signs, and it doesn't solve the problem.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/30 00:14:36
Subject: The thing about guns
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Fixture of Dakka
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That pretty darn informative.
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