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How do you feel about handling an opponent's models?
You should never touch an opponent's model during the game, only outside a game when you are handed the model.
You should ask an opponent if you can move one of his models during the game only if it would facilitate game play
You can move your opponent's models around ( Say in a large melee combat where they might be out of reach) as long as he is ok with the final positioning.

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Minnesota

I was moderately impressed.

Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
 
   
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Toledo, OH

Gwar! wrote:Because Google is not impressive


It is when you can't find the stuff and talk out of your ass for a dozen posts, only to have somebody prove you wrong with 10 minutes of research.

@ Orkeosaurus: Thanks. *takes a small bow.

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Polonius wrote:
Gwar! wrote:Because Google is not impressive


It is when you can't find the stuff and talk out of your ass for a dozen posts, only to have somebody prove you wrong with 10 minutes of research.
Naw, you know I was just playing you along. Of course I would never ring the cops on someone for touching my models God-Emperor Sake. It DID happen here however and it was funny That was pretty much the only thing I was going on about.

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Toledo, OH

Gwar! wrote:
Polonius wrote:
Gwar! wrote:Because Google is not impressive


It is when you can't find the stuff and talk out of your ass for a dozen posts, only to have somebody prove you wrong with 10 minutes of research.
Naw, you know I was just playing you along. Of course I would never ring the cops on someone for touching my models God-Emperor Sake. It DID happen here however and it was funny That was pretty much the only thing I was going on about.


Sorry, much like the earlier example with larceny at the pub, you can't change your intent when you're caught. Maybe you should add new row to your sig of people pointing out when you're 100% incorrect.
   
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My intent was to string you along the whole time

Sheesh you (almost) lawyers, no sense of humour.

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Toledo, OH

Gwar! wrote:My intent was to string you along the whole time

Sheesh you (almost) lawyers, no sense of humour.


Prove it. it's easy enough to say that now, but as this isn't your first day on the internet, you should know that it's not that easy.

Sheesh, you insufferable know it alls. No ability to handle being proven wrong.

   
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Minnesota

Polonius wrote:Sorry, much like the earlier example with larceny at the pub, you can't change your intent when you're caught. Maybe you should add new row to your sig of people pointing out when you're 100% incorrect.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
 
   
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Accusation: Me Changing my Agenda

Innocent until proven guilty, and the Onus is on you to prove my guilt, not for me to defend my innocence.

@Ork: Lawl. Watch it, I could Sue you for some imaginary reason I'll get polonius to represent me

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Minnesota

Gwar! wrote:@Ork: Lawl. Watch it, I could Sue you for some imaginary reason I'll get polonius to represent me
Oh Gwar!

I think you're mistaken yet again!

Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
 
   
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Toledo, OH

Gwar! wrote:Accusation: Me Changing my Agenda

Innocent until proven guilty, and the Onus is on you to prove my guilt, not for me to defend my innocence.


this isn't a criminal matter, it's a civil matter. I can point to a mountain of posts and other evidence that make you look ignorant. You claim you were joking. Take that to a jury, and see what they decide by a simple preponderance of the evidence.

Even if it were a criminal matter, I would point out the same evidence, and you have none. In particular, you're response to dirkthe1 regarding the intent to return shows a strong interest in perpetuating your position, not a devil's advocacy position.
   
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Polonius wrote:
Gwar! wrote:Accusation: Me Changing my Agenda

Innocent until proven guilty, and the Onus is on you to prove my guilt, not for me to defend my innocence.


this isn't a criminal matter, it's a civil matter. I can point to a mountain of posts and other evidence that make you look ignorant. You claim you were joking. Take that to a jury, and see what they decide by a simple preponderance of the evidence.

Even if it were a criminal matter, I would point out the same evidence, and you have none. In particular, you're response to dirkthe1 regarding the intent to return shows a strong interest in perpetuating your position, not a devil's advocacy position.
I have NO idea what you just said :(

Anyway, back on topic:
NO TOUCHY MODELS!

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Minnesota

To be fair, I'd count the troll avatar as evidence.

Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
 
   
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Toledo, OH

Gwar! wrote:
Polonius wrote:
Gwar! wrote:Accusation: Me Changing my Agenda

Innocent until proven guilty, and the Onus is on you to prove my guilt, not for me to defend my innocence.


this isn't a criminal matter, it's a civil matter. I can point to a mountain of posts and other evidence that make you look ignorant. You claim you were joking. Take that to a jury, and see what they decide by a simple preponderance of the evidence.

Even if it were a criminal matter, I would point out the same evidence, and you have none. In particular, you're response to dirkthe1 regarding the intent to return shows a strong interest in perpetuating your position, not a devil's advocacy position.
I have NO idea what you just said :(

Anyway, back on topic:
NO TOUCHY MODELS!


Which I think is further evidence that your aformentioned ignorance vis a vis the legality of your hypothetical actions was in both law and equity valid corpus that furthers the case set forth in the current action.
   
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And people say lawyers don't have a sense of humor....
   
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Polonius wrote:And people say lawyers don't have a sense of humor....
I know not these "people". You Should sue them! Isn't that what lawyers do? go Around Screaming "OBJECTION!" and Suing people?

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I ask, only because I know the utter idiotic nerd rage a lot of gamers have over this issue. It doesn't bother me. You break it, I fix it. I don't care. It's just a little toy soldier, not anything that is actually important.

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Mattlov wrote:I ask, only because I know the utter idiotic nerd rage a lot of gamers have over this issue. It doesn't bother me. You break it, I fix it. I don't care. It's just a little toy soldier, not anything that is actually important.


I think you should ask out of common courtesy. I don't think it is idiotic nerd rage to expect people to use reasonable care and show courtesy when handling something that you invested time and effort in the creation of.
   
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It depends. Other gamers, I let touch my stuff, the general public absolutely not. Someone I'm playing against understands the fragility of my stuff as well as the monetary value of it, a witless onlooker will not.

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Always, ALWAYS ask. It might be fragile, or still a little wet from a touch-up. Better to have asked and not needed to, than NOT asked and needed to and offend the guy.

I always ask before picking up a model, because I HATE people touching mine without asking.
The way I see it, it's like touching a guy's car or girlfriend, or their tools. It's just not done without permission.
   
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Skorpion wrote:The way I see it, it's like touching a guy's ... girlfriend
This made me laugh a little, as it is impossible

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Modquisition on:
Wow I opened this thread to read and the first thing I saw was ass-from Polonius!

Lets all take a breath and remind ourselves of (sigh) Rule#1 and maintain coolness people.

Gentlemen lets also note that, prior to my barging in, we have persons from at least three different countries here. In the US alone, each state's legal system is somwehat different. Differences between countries can be massive.

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Pfft, such bile from people here. Breaking my nose if I touch your models? Please, give it a rest, I'll break yours too.

I'm proud of my models. I only expect them to be handled using the base, since this is one of it's functions. If you end up crying because a 12 year old dropped your Chaplain find an older opponent who has the maturity to recognise the point of a base. Although I agree many older people in GW stores are somewhat lagging in the age-to-sense ratio.

People who use violence to make ammends about dropped models are most definitely part of the latter category.

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I really should be spending my time more constructively. 
   
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I just ask, and if my opponent says yes, then I move them.

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Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.


Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
 
   
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I just don't see a reason why you should touch someone's models, especially after reading all of this. It can all be easily avoided. Let your opponent do his pile-in moves and such. I will generally offer to move models if they're closer to me than to my opponent or if he's a friend I don't need to ask.

It really doesn't seem worth it to risk someone flipping out or breaking something. Enough models get broken by people walking around and say, pushing your spiky chaos rhino with their backpack to the floor as they walk past (ugh)

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Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:This can be particularly annoying for using Lash. I've only had 1 guy be a tool about it, but in theory I move the models. That doesn't translate to I touch them automatically in my book, but it does translate into "don't be a douche and undermove your own models, or start moving them really quickly so that they're huddled in an odd way so I can't get all of them under my flamer and we can't remeasure from where they were." I really like to have the option to physically slide them if possible in this case.


For the lash I suggest you use excess dice to mark where I want the models to go. It lets you "place" them but w/o the controversy of touching your opponents models . But in terms of just picking them up ask first it is safer... lol.

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