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TopC wrote:It would be a permanent slight tilt. Nothing extreme. it would be approx 3 degree nose down from the enter axis mount

Do you mean 30 degrees nose down? 3 degrees nose down on a model that size is going to be something like only a millimeter or two change in position and not enough to actually change line of sight, as far as I can tell.

solkan wrote:

TopC wrote:It would be a permanent slight tilt. Nothing extreme. it would be approx 3 degree nose down from the enter axis mount

Do you mean 30 degrees nose down? 3 degrees nose down on a model that size is going to be something like only a millimeter or two change in position and not enough to actually change line of sight, as far as I can tell.

Well as far as LoS is concerned, 1/4'' stand is at the top of their heads.. that small of a tilt if they are up ont he butt of the vehicles is enough to break LoS to the heads as well as the legs due to the length of the vehicle.. (can still see feettts)

Oh, now I understand what the problem is. I have no idea what you mean by 1/4" flying stand since the shortest actual GW flying stand that I know of is a bit over 1/2" tall. Looking at the math, a 3-5 degree slope would be about right for a 1/2" drop over 3" or so. I don't know how long those models are, so I don't know whether those are the accurate measurements. Earlier in the thread I had been thinking that you were using one of the longer flying stands, and that would have been a much more pronounced angle. You aren't doing something horrifying like using a non-standard flying stand or embedding half of the flying stand in the model, are you?

Either way, if the nose of the craft is in the air and the end is touching or almost touching the ground, that's going to look like it's either taking off or crashing, and at the moment I find the idea of modeling the tank as crashing much more amusing. You can do what you feel you need to do in order to save your plastic guys from being sniped, but I will reserve the right to retaliatory eye rolling and/or pointing and giggling as the situation requires.

On a more serious note, have the alternatives failed? I mean, have you tried the tactic of actually talking to your regular opponents and asking them to back off on the LOS sniping?

i'd be fine with it :/

solkan wrote:Oh, now I understand what the problem is. I have no idea what you mean by 1/4" flying stand since the shortest actual GW flying stand that I know of is a bit over 1/2" tall. Looking at the math, a 3-5 degree slope would be about right for a 1/2" drop over 3" or so. I don't know how long those models are, so I don't know whether those are the accurate measurements. Earlier in the thread I had been thinking that you were using one of the longer flying stands, and that would have been a much more pronounced angle. You aren't doing something horrifying like using a non-standard flying stand or embedding half of the flying stand in the model, are you?

Either way, if the nose of the craft is in the air and the end is touching or almost touching the ground, that's going to look like it's either taking off or crashing, and at the moment I find the idea of modeling the tank as crashing much more amusing. You can do what you feel you need to do in order to save your plastic guys from being sniped, but I will reserve the right to retaliatory eye rolling and/or pointing and giggling as the situation requires.

On a more serious note, have the alternatives failed? I mean, have you tried the tactic of actually talking to your regular opponents and asking them to back off on the LOS sniping?

your right my bad its a 1/2'' base i went and measured ( i was wrong! rawr LOL) 3'' is about half way point .. so yea its a big enough drop to make it almost touch the nose to the ground blocking LoS to the legs, but not the feet..

Yea i've already tried the more civil approach and its nuhuh the book says so. So I just roll w/ it..

Sadly, I also see this as a model not being placed on the base it comes with. GW designed a new flying base for this model.

This is no different than the guy who put a bill-board on top of his looted rhino. Shady, shady gak.

InquisitorFabius wrote:Sadly, I also see this as a model not being placed on the base it comes with. GW designed a new flying base for this model.

it is going on the base it came with, it is going on a stand it came with


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Valhallan42nd wrote:This is no different than the guy who put a bill-board on top of his looted rhino. Shady, shady gak.

its vastly different, as the model isnt being modified, nor is the base. From what ive been able to find out on a LEGAL stand point (screw all the people who cant read and vote what they want not for whats legal) what i asked is completely legal. (been reading alot since i posted this)

As i said Page 1 it is legal, it is technically modelling for an advantage, but at no point have you broken any rules. it also limits your guns as they have trouble shooting raised models (can shoot 45' up. till by about 30' and your not leaving much elevation)

Its like this wraith lord ...

... technically he also has advantage, he's able to get into cover more easily, on the down side his own LOS is much reduced.

Tri wrote:As i said Page 1 it is legal, it is technically modelling for an advantage, but at no point have you broken any rules. it also limits your guns as they have trouble shooting raised models (can shoot 45' up. till by about 30' and your not leaving much elevation)

Its like this wraith lord ...

... technically he also has advantage, he's able to get into cover more easily, on the down side his own LOS is much reduced.

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LOL WOW!! I wasn't talking about anything drastic.. and a few degree tilt (not even greater than 5) weapon system can still draw Los to what ever its firing from the vehicle. I'm not modifying anything (no im not mounting my suits weird, they are standing on a regular black base straight up, arms forward)

By the strict letter of the rules, a Wraithlord doesn't ever have LoS

TopC wrote:LOL WOW!! I wasn't talking about anything drastic.. and a few degree tilt (not even greater than 5) weapon system can still draw Los to what ever its firing from the vehicle. I'm not modifying anything (no im not mounting my suits weird, they are standing on a regular black base straight up, arms forward)

I know but it helps to understand how far you can go while not breaking any rules ...

Gwar! wrote:By the strict letter of the rules, a Wraithlord doesn't ever have LoS

Which is why every Wraithlord i own has an eye on it (often wonder about making one with an eye on the sword ... now he can see round corners)

Tri wrote:

TopC wrote:LOL WOW!! I wasn't talking about anything drastic.. and a few degree tilt (not even greater than 5) weapon system can still draw Los to what ever its firing from the vehicle. I'm not modifying anything (no im not mounting my suits weird, they are standing on a regular black base straight up, arms forward)

I know but it helps to understand how far you can go while not breaking any rules ...

Gwar! wrote:By the strict letter of the rules, a Wraithlord doesn't ever have LoS

Which is why ever wraithlord i own has an eye on it (often wonder about making one with an eye on the sword ... now he can see round corners)

Well it IS a sentient weapon after all

Paint it purple for endless Jokes about One Eyed Purple Swords of Dhoom!™

Gwar! wrote:Paint it purple for endless Jokes about One Eyed Purple Swords of Dhoom!™

There's some sort of joke in there...

I'll have to think long and hard about it though...