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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/07 22:37:05
Subject: Re:Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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I find it strange that the police find & treat drug culture (in particular the way dealers are armed) as consistent unilaterally. That behavior seems like like the result of a pocket community demonizing another. The differences between types of dealer/customer bases tend to be pretty wide. Lumping together the coke crowd with the weed crowd is like lumping wargamers and basketball players in the same group. Sure there is some crossover, but they are definitely not the same. In practice or in purchase.
In direct line with this thread, If a SWAT team was needed for that house then there would have been guards.
Just like large banks have security, serious houses have squads. Some guy paying for his smoke by selling bulk doesn't warrant the use of civilian soldiers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/07 23:00:13
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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"SWAT! GET IN THE GROUND! (THAT MEANS YOU AS WELL YOU EFFING CORGI!) STOP RESISTING OR WE WILL SHOOT YOU! *Blam Blam Blam* (Laughter) "Yeah, that's right, that's what will happen if your stupid dog doesn't participate!" "Alright, alright, now tell the dog his rights before he passes out on the floor."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 03:48:54
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Kanluwen wrote:
Then the dog wasn't trying to harm you or was playing. There is such a thing as a "love bite" from dogs, y'know.
My youngest brother had his hand bitten by a Jack Russell, and had to be hospitalized along with major surgery due to the dog damaging the nerves of the hand.
Actually, I had puncture wounds on my left calf. They were sterilized, and bandaged at the earliest opportunity.
You're very good at creating tautologies, this is your second so far.
Kanluwen wrote:
Oh, so you KNOW they sent a SWAT team because they could?
I didn't realize you were a mind-reader now. Maybe you should start working for law enforcement to let them know when a completely unknowable situation crops up if they should send SWAT teams or patrol cops.
Yes, I know they sent a SWAT team because they could. If they could not send a SWAT team, they would not have been able to do so. The point of that particular turn of phrase was to illustrate that SWAT is frequently used in situations where it is not necessary; likely because there is a general trend in law enforcement towards the protection of officers. Its almost as if police work isn't supposed to be a dangerous business.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 05:02:48
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Savage Minotaur
Chicago
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J.Black wrote:Cute or not, dogs have no rights. I'd happily see all dogs on the planet peeled, salted and thrown into the sun.
The feth is wrong with you?
I don't think you would like it if I shot you in the face with a shotgun, huh, tough guy?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 05:39:54
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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dogma wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
Then the dog wasn't trying to harm you or was playing. There is such a thing as a "love bite" from dogs, y'know.
My youngest brother had his hand bitten by a Jack Russell, and had to be hospitalized along with major surgery due to the dog damaging the nerves of the hand.
Actually, I had puncture wounds on my left calf. They were sterilized, and bandaged at the earliest opportunity.
You're very good at creating tautologies, this is your second so far.
I wouldn't have to repeat myself if the fact that "dog bites can cause damage" didn't seem to go over the heads of people.
Dogma wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Oh, so you KNOW they sent a SWAT team because they could?
I didn't realize you were a mind-reader now. Maybe you should start working for law enforcement to let them know when a completely unknowable situation crops up if they should send SWAT teams or patrol cops.
Yes, I know they sent a SWAT team because they could. If they could not send a SWAT team, they would not have been able to do so. The point of that particular turn of phrase was to illustrate that SWAT is frequently used in situations where it is not necessary; likely because there is a general trend in law enforcement towards the protection of officers. Its almost as if police work isn't supposed to be a dangerous business.
Uh no. SWAT's more frequent deployment in serving warrants is due to a trend in community oriented policing.
With the fact that more and more officers are being assigned to specific neighborhoods and building up a trusting foundation with that neighborhood's inhabitants, there becomes a worry of corruption or the potential of officers tipping off someone who they feel might be completely innocent(or potentially just y'know...be inappropriately linked to) which is deemed to be a nonexistent threat when deploying SWAT teams which have no such connections.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 05:52:18
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't have to repeat myself if the fact that "dog bites can cause damage" didn't seem to go over the heads of people.
Actually, your first tautology wasn't related to the potential damage of a dog bite.
Incidentally, women who are not properly secured can also cause damage if they decide to throw a punch.
Kanluwen wrote:
Uh no. SWAT's more frequent deployment in serving warrants is due to a trend in community oriented policing.
With the fact that more and more officers are being assigned to specific neighborhoods and building up a trusting foundation with that neighborhood's inhabitants, there becomes a worry of corruption or the potential of officers tipping off someone who they feel might be completely innocent(or potentially just y'know...be inappropriately linked to) which is deemed to be a nonexistent threat when deploying SWAT teams which have no such connections.
Interestingly, multiple trends can converge to produce a single effect.
That being said, there is no reason to deploy SWAT in many of the instances in which it is. If SWAT is to be a frequent deployment, then its rules of engagement need to be revisited.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 05:55:36
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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It's either they alter the rules of engagement, tighten up gun registration and enforcement of illegal firearms, or any number of things that ensure officers have a reasonable level of safety expectations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 06:06:34
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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We can also train officers to deal with conflict, or create units that stand somewhere between paramilitary SWAT and civilian patrol. Something specifically focused on the service of warrants.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 06:07:48
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Kanluwen wrote:There's a reason why dogs have been used as guard animals for centuries. They can do incredible amounts of damage to a person who isn't wearing proper protective gear.
How many corgies have been used as guard animals?
How many officers have been brought down in the line of duty by corgies? Automatically Appended Next Post: Envy89 wrote:This is a rather sad story...
Everyone is quick to point the evil Nazi finger at the cops... but would they have gone in there if they had no reason?
If the guy wasn’t involved in enough criminal activity to warrant a midnight raid, then the cops wouldn’t have had to...
Dude, have you read the thread? Did you see the points made about the use of SWAT in serving warrants for non-violent and consensual crimes? Because your point had already been made, and we'd moved past that?
If you didn't bother to read the whopping one page of discussion before coming in to the thread, why bother to come onto a bulletin board at all? Automatically Appended Next Post: Fateweaver wrote:As to the ridiculousness of the "cops putting the kids in danger". The SWAT's job is to look out for themselves and one another first.
Most SWAT teams place their lives and the lives of civilians on equal footing, with the criminal third.
It's sad the kids had to see their family pet killed but then again if the police wouldn't have had to raid the home in the first place it never would have happened.
Which is a major point of discussion in this thread. Did they need to raid the house? How many SWAT raids are necessary, when they're used for non-violent and consensual crimes?
I still think there is more to this raid then just "OMG I"m being raided for being brown and smoking pot."
He wasn't even brown. Why would you say that? What is going on in your head when you say things like that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 06:19:34
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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dogma wrote:We can also train officers to deal with conflict, or create units that stand somewhere between paramilitary SWAT and civilian patrol. Something specifically focused on the service of warrants.
Actually...that's what the Sheriff's Department version of SWAT is for.
They can't know every single detail when they're serving warrants. Someone could potentially have any number of illegal firearms, etc that would pose a threat not just to the officers executing the warrant but any civilians in the area too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 07:32:03
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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Nevermind..... Ive said my piece/peace.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 10:01:31
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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I still don't see the Corgi being shot. You hear the initial barks and shots, but later you see the Corgi scoot by. Right when the officer says "Leave the Dog. We're good."
I don't hear any shots after that.  (Although there is the blackout)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 10:28:31
Subject: Re:Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I have now watched this. I put it off because I really hate animal cruelty.
It was cretinous and painfully unprofessionally executed. I hope that guy gets a good lawyer and sues 20 shades of gak out of those blundering keystone kopz.
No doubt they were laughing like beavis and butthead about 'did you see when spike wasted that thar dog, dang that wus funny gak', all the way home. And for what, a handful of grass. The idea that smoking grass recreationally equates to child endangerment is laughable, perhaps we should be breaking down the doors of everyone with booze in the house...? Stoners aren't likely to hit their kids, drunks are.
The child was certainly endangered when 8 dickheads with guns broke into the house and starting putting rounds into the family dogs as he watched. Perhaps when he gets to 17, climbs the clock tower and starts firing rounds into the crowd screaming 'Why did you shoot scamp you muthahubbards!!!1', we can take solace in knowing it would have been worse if his dad had continued to smoke weed.
Point in fact, you waste my family pet, I'm coming after you in the wee small hours and rein-acting the final scene from Audition on you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 10:47:52
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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But the Corgi wasn't dead...Is no one actually reading my posts? At all? Even a little? Where in the video does the Corgi get shot?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 10:55:29
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Second dog gets wasted at the point of the blackout.
You can hear it during the man's outburst. You can hear it whimpering in pain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 10:58:45
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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I could hear the whimpering after the initial barking and shots. (unless I'm confusing shots with the breaking down of doors) I didn't hear any more shots, not even during the blackout. If anything I thought the mans reaction was a bit delayed, seeing as the dog (the pit bull that is) had been shot at the first outburst.
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After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 12:25:53
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Karon wrote:J.Black wrote:Cute or not, dogs have no rights. I'd happily see all dogs on the planet peeled, salted and thrown into the sun.
The feth is wrong with you?
I don't think you would like it if I shot you in the face with a shotgun, huh, tough guy?
YHBT
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 16:28:41
Subject: Re:Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Piss poor drills on behalf of the Police officers envolved.
They were serving a low risk warrant, went in tooled up like Angolan mercenaries and shot two family pets because they let the adrenaline rush of the moment overrule good sense.
I dont know what is worse the fact that these clowns shot the dogs in the first place given that they clearly were not a serious threat to over ten heavily armed men or that they couldn't make a confimed kill on an injured pooch without several attempts.
I have no problem with cops shooting dogs, cats or even shifty looking hamsters as long as they actualy do pose a threat of some sort of threat, but the apparent willingness of these tools to "open up" on a pair of harmless pets leads me to worry that next time it could be a small child for brandishing a power ranger with intent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 17:05:36
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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One would assume that "trained law enforcement"personal would be able to tell the differance between a "threat" and a "nuisance".
Now,while I myself have never recieved the "top shelf" training the SWAT team in the video have obviously had,I have never entered a home and encounterd a yappy little dog that I percieved to be a "threat".
These animals were no "threat" to the officers,they weren't some cinematic "drug kingpins" viciously trained attack dogs,they were family pets reacting in a natural way to large,agressive group of strangers entering the home.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 17:17:12
Subject: Re:Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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OK, I'm not arguing the use of SWAT. I live in PA, just outside of Philadelphia, they even raided my entire apartment unit (5 homes), including mine where my 7 month pregnant ex and dog (lab-akita mix, much more of a threat) were. Did they shoot my dog, or kick my ex in the belly? No, because they had a small amount of common sense. Those officers weren't even in attack distance of the dog when they shot it, and dogs being dogs they were most likely at the door when SWAT breached. This means they were backing away from the officers and barking because they didn't know what was going on. Obviously one of the officers is a douche, or a cat person.
And the wife and kid were sat in a corner with 2 men over them, they weren't going anywhere.
But yeah, no reason to shoot the dog
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 17:36:38
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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I'm being led to a conclusion from the general replies here...
We must not have been watching the same video. Where can I get the deleted scenes you all are seeing with the dogs backing away from the door or running away from the officers after they breach?
Because the video camera never entered until after SWAT had secured the house.
If I didn't see either of the dogs, you all sure as hell didn't see the dogs either.
So pretty much all we've got is a video of SWAT officers securing a house, and then some guy(and by the by--I'm calling BS on the warrant being just for the small amount of pot that apparently was turned up during the course of the search, especially given how the guy was hollering for his lawyer before even being Mirandized.) yelling "YOU SHOT MY DOG YOU SHOT MY DOG!" while two officers keep an eye on his wife+kid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 17:44:33
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Savage Minotaur
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I will not blame the kid in 15 years when he murders every single cop that entered that house.
They ran in there strapped to kill a fething tyranasaurus rex for a WEED WARRANT. I smoke weed, you know what it makes me do? Sit on the couch and stare at a wall.
This is bs. They shoot a damn CORGI, a corgi is literally a teddy bear that barks.
So the cops can murder animals for making noise now? Yeah, my ass.
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I have no problem with cops shooting dogs, cats or even shifty looking hamsters
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Going in my sig....just for the shifty looking hamsters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 17:46:39
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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I'm sorry, I didn't see anything at all about what the warrant they were serving was--anyfethingwhere in the article or the video.
All it says is that "In the course of serving a warrant, they found enough marijuana to charge with misdemeanor possession of narcotics" and that there was an "endangerment of a child" charge too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 17:49:26
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Savage Minotaur
Chicago
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As I said.
Endangerment of a child because he had weed, they must have had evidence that he smoked pot (illegal, just because its looked upon as being bad by the population)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 17:50:15
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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For future reference:
Before you start posting crap like this by using some wackjob's blog, try doing some research.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/feb/23/family-questions-swat-drug-search-that-led-to/
A man arrested on suspicion of drug charges and child endangerment said he is concerned with the actions of police who shot two dogs they described as “aggressive” while serving a drug-related search warrant at his home earlier this month in southwest Columbia.
Police arrested Jonathan E. Whitworth, 25, of 1501 Kinloch Court on Feb. 11 on suspicion of possession of drug paraphernalia, possession of marijuana and second-degree child endangerment.
A police SWAT team entered Whitworth’s residence around 8:30 p.m. suspecting a large amount of marijuana at the location, police spokeswoman Officer Jessie Haden said. SWAT members encountered a pit bull upon entry, held back and then fatally shot the dog, which officers said was acting in an uncontrollably aggressive manner.
Whitworth was arrested, and his wife and 7-year-old son were present during the SWAT raid, Haden said. A second dog, which Whitworth’s attorney Jeff Hilbrenner described as a corgi, also was shot but was not killed.
“The family is concerned with what happened,” Hilbrenner said. “We don’t feel like what happened in the home was appropriate. The priority right now for us is the misdemeanor charges.”
Police discovered a grinder, a pipe and a small amount of marijuana, Haden said. Because the SWAT team acts on the most updated information available, the team wanted to enter the house before marijuana believed to be at the location could be distributed, she said.
“If you let too much time go by, then the drugs are not there,” she said.
Drug distributors traditionally have a history with firearms, which is why the SWAT team is used when executing such warrants, Haden said. If the SWAT team believed they could have executed the warrant successfully during the daytime when the wife and child were not present, they would have, she said.
That was posted on February 23rd, 2010.
There is, and has been an inquiry ongoing since the incident--even before the tape was put out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 17:54:34
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/may/06/chief-details-swat-incident/
The release and wide circulation of a video showing the February police raid of a southwest Columbia home has led to a flood of calls and e-mails to the department and a death threat sent in by fax.
Yesterday, Columbia Police Chief Ken Burton and Mayor Bob McDavid convened a news conference to address some of the questions surrounding the Feb. 11 SWAT raid at the home of Jonathon Whitworth.
Burton said the department has received phone calls and e-mails and a fax that described Columbia police as “fat donut munching aholes” and concluded, “I hope” you “run into an ambush that wipes out about a dozen of you.”
Burton said yesterday that investigators should not have executed the warrant because the information was too old. The warrant authorizing investigators to enter Whitworth’s home at 1501 Kinloch Court was executed eight days after Boone County Associate Circuit Judge Leslie Schneider approved it. Burton said the state allows police 10 days to execute a signed warrant, and he thinks Columbia officers should have done so immediately.
Information provided by an informant led investigators to believe Whitworth was in possession of a large amount of marijuana and was considered a distributor. In 2003, Whitworth pleaded guilty to conspiracy to distribute cocaine and marijuana in federal court and was ordered to serve 15 months in federal prison, according to court documents.
The Feb. 11 raid ended with a misdemeanor amount of marijuana discovered and two of Whitworth’s dogs shot, one of them fatally. Whitworth pleaded guilty to possession of drug paraphernalia.
“It’s my opinion that it needs to be served as soon as possible,” Burton said of the warrant. “The contraband can be disposed of. It they are going to do that, there is not much point in serving the warrant.”
Burton said as of Feb. 12, the day after the SWAT team’s entry at Whitworth’s home, warrants have been ordered to be executed immediately.
Burton said police officers have fielded questions from several agitated callers concerning the dogs. The chief, who is personally conducting an internal investigation into the incident, said three officers shot at the pit bull; the first missed completely, which is when the corgi is believed to have been shot in the paw.
The pit bull acted aggressively toward a SWAT member as they pushed into the home, Burton said, and that resulted in the animal being shot, he said. After being shot, it moved to attack a SWAT member, which is when the dog was killed.
“It was not a mistake to shoot the pit bull,” Burton said. “I wouldn’t be standing here if an officer had been bitten by a pit bull instead of the reverse happening.”
Whitworth’s attorney, Jeff Hilbrenner, said he met with Whitworth and his family yesterday and they still are undecided about whether they will seek civil action against the city. Hilbrenner said police made a poor decision by forcing entry into Whitworth’s home based on bad information, which resulted in the discovery of little evidence.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/may/06/procedure-for-swat-changing/#comments
The Columbia Police Department was in the process of evaluating how its Special Weapons and Tactics Team, or SWAT, is used in narcotic investigations when the team executed a warrant at 1501 Kinloch Court in February.
“It was unfortunate timing,” said Lt. Scott Young, SWAT commander. “We were in the process of considering a lot of changes. We were already having meetings to improve narcotic investigations, then this happened.”
Columbia police spokeswoman Jessie Haden said there sometimes was a lag between the time a warrant was issued and when SWAT could execute the warrant. The problem was SWAT members’ primary assignments, such as their role as beat officers or investigators, would take precedence over SWAT and they would have to work overtime to participate in SWAT operations.
Young said changes began to develop upon the arrival of Chief Ken Burton last year.
Young said drug dealers try to move their product as quickly as possible, so the timing of narcotic investigations is critical. He said SWAT members now are more available for SWAT operations because of this.
“Chief Burton has freed us up to do this when they are needed, not when it is convenient,” Young said. “He is making efforts to allow us to act quickly on intelligence.”
But that process was not complete at the time of the February raid at Jonathan E. Whitworth’s home.
The warrant authorizing SWAT and investigators to enter Whitworth’s home was approved by Boone County Associate Circuit Judge Leslie Schneider on Feb 3., and the raid happened Feb. 11.
Investigators were working with intelligence from two informants that claimed Whitworth had a large amount of high-grade marijuana at his residence, according to the warrant, which also noted that Whitworth had a prior arrest for suspicion of possession of marijuana and manufacturing a controlled substance. One of the informants told police he or she had seen the marijuana in Whitworth’s home within 10 days of the warrant’s approval.
Columbia police Detective Ronald Hall Jr. also conducted a trash grab at Whitworth’s home on Jan. 27. He found baggies containing narcotic residue and items of drug paraphernalia with residue on them, according to the warrant.
So when SWAT entered the home, investigators believed Whitworth was in possession of a large amount of marijuana and was considered a distributor. SWAT is used when executing warrants on distributors because they often have a history with firearms.
SWAT members stormed into the home at 8:30 p.m. Feb. 11 and shot two of Whitworth’s dogs. They found only a grinder, a pipe and a misdemeanor amount of marijuana. Whitworth pleaded guilty to possession of drug paraphernalia.
“We are hypercritical, even when an operation goes perfect,” Young said. “After every search warrant, the team discusses what happened and what could have been done better, and then we train.”
Deputy Chief Tom Dresner, former SWAT commander, has said he is confident narcotics were in Whitworth’s residence before police entry.
Haden said an internal affairs investigation of the incident should be completed in two weeks.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/may/03/drug-raid-inquiry-is-ongoing/
A man whose home Columbia police raided in February on a narcotics search warrant has pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge and is contemplating a civil action against the department for shooting his two dogs during the raid.
Jonathan E. Whitworth, 25, of 1501 Kinloch Court entered into a plea agreement with the state to drop charges of possession of marijuana and second-degree child endangerment for a guilty plea to possession of drug paraphernalia.
Investigators believed Whitworth was in possession of a large amount of marijuana and was considered a distributor, Deputy Chief Tom Dresner said in February. Police, who found a grinder, a pipe and a small amount of marijuana, shot two dogs upon entering Whitworth’s home around 8:30 p.m. Feb. 11.
SWAT team members encountered a pit bull upon entry, held back and then fatally shot the dog, police say. Officers said the dog was acting in an uncontrollably aggressive manner. A video of the raid shows that a shot was fired upon entry, but the pit bull was not wounded until later.
Whitworth was arrested, and his wife and 7-year-old son were present during the raid. Both his wife and child were living in the residence at the time, said Jeff Hilbrenner, Whitworth’s attorney. Dresner previously said that intelligence gathered before the raid did not indicate the child was in the home.
A second dog was shot in the leg but was not killed. The corgi is seen in the video and does not appear to be wounded. There is no indication when the dog was shot, and Dresner previously said he was unsure when the animal was wounded.
“Their focus right now is to get this behind them,” Hilbrenner said of the Whitworth family. “Obviously, this was a traumatic event for his wife and son. A final decision has not been made, but they are evaluating all of their options.”
Hilbrenner previously said the family was concerned with what happened and that they thought police actions were inappropriate.
After the arrest, Dresner said he believed SWAT team members followed protocol and was awaiting an Internal Affairs investigation. Investigations are conducted each time a weapon is used by officers, said spokeswoman Officer Jessie Haden.
The investigation is expected to be completed within the next two weeks and has been prolonged because a SWAT team member is out of town for training. Internal Affairs is conducting the review because the incident involved multiple shots and was inside an occupied residence, Haden said. This allows Internal Affairs sergeants to review the incident independent from the SWAT command.
The Whitworths have not filed a complaint with the department concerning the incident.
And that was all in a very basic Google of "Jonathan Whitworth Missouri Dog Shooting". Automatically Appended Next Post: FITZZ wrote: Hmmm.perhaps the decriminalization of marijuana would help in limiting this sort of incident.
Or maybe people shouldn't be surprised when they actually decide to act against something that's illegal?
Crazy, right?
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Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
Georgia,just outside Atlanta
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Hmmm.perhaps the decrimanalization of marijauna would help in limiting this sort of incident.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 18:06:22
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
Georgia,just outside Atlanta
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Automatically Appended Next Post:
FITZZ wrote: Hmmm.perhaps the decriminalization of marijuana would help in limiting this sort of incident.
Or maybe people shouldn't be surprised when they actually decide to act against something that's illegal?
Crazy, right?
Or maybe..people should question why a substance is illegal in the first place,and why so much time,money and resources are utilized in "combating" a substance that,in all probability is less harmful than alcohol?
Crazy,right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 18:08:44
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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It doesn't really matter why a substance is illegal.
There's a very simple flow chart:
Is it illegal? If Yes:
Don't be surprised when police come after you, if they're tipped off about it or given faulty intelligence that you're dealing in said illegal substances.
If Not Illegal:
Have fun--but responsibly!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/08 18:17:39
Subject: Video of SWAT versus family's dogs
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
Georgia,just outside Atlanta
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Kanluwen wrote:It doesn't really matter why a substance is illegal.
There's a very simple flow chart:
Is it illegal? If Yes:
Don't be surprised when police come after you, if they're tipped off about it or given faulty intelligence that you're dealing in said illegal substances.
If Not Illegal:
Have fun--but responsibly!
I get what your saying,my point however was that by decrimanlizing marijauna,alot of these types of situations would be avoided.
Plus it would free up a gak load of money,manpower and prison space for dealing with "real" criminals,like "true drug kingpins" and ...well,those "Wall street types".
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