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4M2A wrote:Actually I only got into this thread when you were asking every for sources when you don't actually have one for your own ideas.

That's because you aren't actually reading my posts. I cite C:WH and C:SoB as my sources. And I never claimed they believed sex is wrong, either, but I suppose if you can't even see where I specifically said " And yes, all of this is from C:WH and C:SoB", you'd probably also misread other parts...

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Melissia wrote:And none of that makes any difference in any way. Humanity has sex, Sisters, a small subsection of humanity, rarely have sex because of their religious beliefs and duties. I dunno why this is so hard for people to comprehend.

Friggin' obsessed with sex...

I'd estimate 80% of wargamers are male, so probably.

And I'm pretty sure a few of us said killing people tends to get in the way of you love life.

Or, as I simply summed up with a meme picture...

"Oh look, THIS thread again..."

metallifan wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Melissia wrote:And none of that makes any difference in any way. Humanity has sex, Sisters, a small subsection of humanity, rarely have sex because of their religious beliefs and duties. I dunno why this is so hard for people to comprehend.

Friggin' obsessed with sex...

I'd estimate 80% of wargamers are male, so probably.

And I'm pretty sure a few of us said killing people tends to get in the way of you love life.

Or, as I simply summed up with a meme picture...

"Oh look, THIS thread again..."

As it happens, I stole that for future use. Hope you don't mind.

Don't worry, you'll get plenty of use out of it. Stupid threads like this pop up at least twice a month.

This thread has been funny. If somewhat sad, and definitely not a good representation of the Wargamming hobby.

CadianXV wrote:
Should a sister become pregnant, the real question is: do the sisterhood let her have the baby, and raise it as a SoB, or carry out an abortion, before suitable chastisement.

I just want to point out that this is a very good question. I think it's unlikely that a sister would become preggers while in a convent or on a large mission with dozens of other sister around. But in more remote locations, it could easily happen. The question is, having had your fun and gotten pregnant, what options would a sister have before her? Self-exile? Abortion and joining the Repentia? Or is it more accepted than that?

Personally, I would think that Sisters are moved to a remote convent to have the birth since they are unfit for duty, a convent where Hospitalliers are on hand. They would have the child and I expect that the child would be taken at birth to the Schola Progenium and undergoe training (as they grew) as either a Storm Trooper or a Sister themselves depending on the sex of the child. What I have no idea of is whether they would be told of their origins, and whether their SoB mother would be allowed to know/give a damn/be allowed to visit.

Sounds like a good story anyway.

I have a creeping fear this thread made me considerably more dumb just by reading it.

Did I fall asleep and miss the meeting where the SoB became the Catholic church? I mean I know we all joke about the Emperor being Jesus in Power armor, etc, etc.. And GW art is heavily influenced by the Gothic Period (Art kiddies, not little Emo boys in skinny jeans, it is actually a period in Architecture and art History.). But As far as I can tell from my reading the Emperor is the God-Machine, some twisted marriage of Science and Religion.

Western Religions are dominated by the concept of Sex being an evil, who said that the SoB were a dominate western religion. Based on Geographical position of the Emperors Palace alone, we are looking at an Eastern Based religion if we are to even go there. Also in Western religions sex is not bad, even if you really enjoy it. Sex without commitment, marriage or monogamy are bad, and even then it is not listed as one of the major Ten. Before anyone gets all over me about this: Adultery is defined as sexual intercourse between a man and a married woman who is not his wife. It has nothing to do with sex out of wedlock.

The Empire was at one point founded in the belief that Religion was bad, and science was superior, in fact it is this belief that has become the fanatical Religion, which is an interesting fact in and of itself. Science and evolution dictate that sex is a good thing, it allows us to exist and expand. The Great Crusade could never have happened had sex been outlawed.

Indoctrination and conditioning are methods that we should not ignore. I would assume that the SoB are like any other Massive Organization capable of existing on a Galactic scale. They would need their own cooking staff, administration staff, medical staff, prepare staff, etc. These task normally fall to Legion Serfs and Squires (I am using SM as a comparable force because it seem logical to me, SoB are basically female SM.. IMHO), but at times would need greater supervision. It would seem logical to me that the Active Duty fighting force of the SoB would refrain from sex, for the purpose of reproduction. However inactive, or troops on RnR would probably be able to rotate out to establish at the very least a small percentage of Born into the Job children. Even if the majority are still pulled form Imperial Orphanages and the like. There could even, theoretically, be a whole division of SoBs that just focus on reproduction, indoctrination, and early training.

As a last note, the Eldar Fluff is very specific on Slannesh, who is the god of extremes, lusts and excesses. It in fact mention Murder being taken to a level of public spectacle, but yet however does not directly reference sex. it is an obvious logical assumption, however Slannesh is in no way the "Chaos God Of Sex." nor is he defined as such.

*le sigh*

Emperors Faithful wrote:This thread has been funny. If somewhat sad, and definitely not a good representation of the Wargamming hobby.

CadianXV wrote:
Should a sister become pregnant, the real question is: do the sisterhood let her have the baby, and raise it as a SoB, or carry out an abortion, before suitable chastisement.

I just want to point out that this is a very good question. I think it's unlikely that a sister would become preggers while in a convent or on a large mission with dozens of other sister around. But in more remote locations, it could easily happen. The question is, having had your fun and gotten pregnant, what options would a sister have before her? Self-exile? Abortion and joining the Repentia? Or is it more accepted than that?

Personally, I would think that Sisters are moved to a remote convent to have the birth since they are unfit for duty, a convent where Hospitalliers are on hand. They would have the child and I expect that the child would be taken at birth to the Schola Progenium and undergoe training (as they grew) as either a Storm Trooper or a Sister themselves depending on the sex of the child. What I have no idea of is whether they would be told of their origins, and whether their SoB mother would be allowed to know/give a damn/be allowed to visit.

Sounds like a good story anyway.

I think this is probably accurate. It depends on the severity of the Canoness in charge of course, but this seems the most likely, unless it was considered an egregious show of lack of discipline.

Emperors Faithful wrote:*le sigh*

Hey I actually thought that through and tried to get back on topic!

Mistress of minis wrote:In the Grim Darkness of the Future......there is no copulation!

There is in Rebel Winter.

Also, I would argue that the Ecclesiarchy is very much a Catholic-inspired religious organization.

Ecclesiarch = Space Pope
Then the ranks go down as cardonals, bishops, etc.

thegrav wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:*le sigh*

Hey I actually thought that through and tried to get back on topic!

The real question though, is as follows: Is it actually -worth- getting back on-topic for a 'lolvaginas/whr du babiez com frum?' thread?

Not really.

Melissia wrote:Also, I would argue that the Ecclesiarchy is very much a Catholic-inspired religious organization.

Ecclesiarch = Space Pope
Then the ranks go down as cardonals, bishops, etc.

Okay.. Now answer me this.. Who is Jesus? The Holy Ghost? Mary? When does the Empire Observe the Sabbath?

GW borrowed a well know Religious Society to base the fluff on, that doesn't mean the two organizations are at all similar, also a very big fact in the fluff of 40k is that when he was alive(completely) the Emperor outlawed Religion, in favor of science and scientific achievement, and the powers at be now bend to using Religion in order to control a populous using that very Emperor as their God, A Living God.

Even by your above defined the Pope is Gods representative in our world. Why would you need a Pope if God is already in your plain of existence? I mentioned that GW fluff based a lot of certain periods in Art and History, so based on yes of course. Is however is not the same.


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@metallifan: You sir win!

No I was just trying to make a constructive addition to something that had already degraded in the hopes that maybe in the Grim Darkness of this Endless Battles Future, we could agree that there isn't enough fluff on the SoB to really argue either way!

thegrav wrote:Who is Jesus? The Holy Ghost? Mary? When does the Empire Observe the Sabbath?

1: The Emperor as the Savior of Mankind, who sacrificed Himself to save us from Chaos
2: The Emperor as the Immortal God-Emperor of Man, protector of our souls from Chaos
3: The Imperium doesn't remember that far back.
4: Once a year, rather htan once a week. If it were once a week it'd cut down on production (grimdark remember).

Besides, I said "Catholic-inspired".

thegrav wrote:Why would you need a Pope if God is already in your plain of existence?

Um, hello, Golden Throne? The Ecclesiarch is the Emperor's supposed divine agent, because the Emperor is stuck on the Throne, and the Imperium is such a very large place. Millions of worlds, you know.

I think my point is lost. Carry on!

Although I should note the Imperium does take from other religions and etc. For example, the Red Redemptionists remind me of firebrand Christian Fundamentalists from southern USA taken tot heir logical extreme.

This thread has been generating mod alerts all over the place. Since people seem unable to discuss whether their toy soldiers are allowed to get pregnant in a civil fashion, we're done here.