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Melissia wrote:Which would hurt them as much as the woman. Male genitalia can be torn and burned by that kind of activity as well.
I doubt even the Space Wolves actually go through with it, even if they think about it. As noted, steroids-- which Marines take a lot of during their formative stages, as well as plenty of other hormones, artificial and otherwise-- stunt that part of one's physiology.
edit: And you know, it amuses me that we're talking about penises in a thread entitled "What do Space Marines Eat?".
ok, that make me laugh far more that it should have. Curse my child-like sense of humour.
but as for the original question, i agree that Space marines probably eat whatever doesn't run away fast enough supplemented with chemicals to help them maintain all their genetic enhancements.
heh, "Enhancement".... I'm sorry.
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Which makes even less sense than their love for beer, since they're effectivly neutered.
Space Wolves aren't neutered. Lukas the Trickster's codex entry has some details about his exploits(12 beds-1 night, Legend among the Women of Fenris)
Most marines simply have lost the urge somewhere along the creative process, but it doesn't mean it can't happen.
I refuse to accept such fluff as canon. It's almost rediculous as an angel that comes to save red marines who are otherwise doomed for the---OHWAITAMINUTE
I don't think sex or reproduction were factor heavily into the WARGAME we call Warhammer.. That being said biology is biology.
However SMs would need to reason to procreate naturally as that is not how you get little SMs, so it is entirely plausible that the urge was fine tuned out or is simply removed on purpose.
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Gene manipulation might render them sterile OR they would only produce normal humans.
now there would be logic behind this.
a Marines offspring would be likely candidates to become space marines OR would at least produce candidates.
Actually, the marine practice of removing the best specimens from the genepool of a planet would actually reduce the chance of more being produced as they would never add their genes to the pool.
Marines, or at least initiates, reproducing would increase the avaliability of Marine recruits in the future.
This could come in handy if say your chapter just took heavy losses and needs more then the normal amount of Initiates. Since 95 out of 100 initiates either doesn't survive or is rendered unsuitable and becomes a serf or something the option to increse the number of avaliable starting stock would prove invaluable in a crisis.
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Gene manipulation might render them sterile OR they would only produce normal humans.
now there would be logic behind this.
a Marines offspring would be likely candidates to become space marines OR would at least produce candidates.
Actually, the marine practice of removing the best specimens from the genepool of a planet would actually reduce the chance of more being produced as they would never add their genes to the pool.
Marines, or at least initiates, reproducing would increase the avaliability of Marine recruits in the future.
This could come in handy if say your chapter just took heavy losses and needs more then the normal amount of Initiates. Since 95 out of 100 initiates either doesn't survive or is rendered unsuitable and becomes a serf or something the option to increse the number of avaliable starting stock would prove invaluable in a crisis.
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And yet they don't. For that matter, initiates are basically children for a good period of time...
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most chapters take initiates between the ages of 12-15. they will be able to recieve the Black Carapace at approximatly 17-18 years of age.
a 12 year old Male human able to reproduce is not uncommon. those that aren't are likely unsuitable for selection in the first place.
the subject would certaintly be able to reproduce very soon.
Initiates are chosen during Puberty because the body is undergoing a massive hormonal and physical transformation and is most receptive to the implants. the body is more likely to not notice a couple of dozen extra organs and accept them as normal.
i don't think for one second that most marine chapters would do this, but that it COULD happen.
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Historically it is only in the last 50 years or so where a pregnant 16 year old girl was seen as "bad". In the Last 100 years our concepts on age to get married and age to have kids has changed quite a bit.
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I thought it was 10-15. Regardless... it could theoretically happen, however keep in mind that such drugs have an even larger effect on children than they do on adults, and the children are eating MUCH more than the adults are.
These include such negative effects as reduced sexual function and infertility.
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Melissia wrote:I thought it was 10-15. Regardless... it could theoretically happen, however keep in mind that such drugs have an even larger effect on children than they do on adults, and the children are eating MUCH more than the adults are.
These include such negative effects as reduced sexual function and infertility.
Girls are capable of conceiving as early as 9-12, boys are capable of impregnating on the same timeline. Remember your science when you guys get into these hypothetical talks, current biology before the stims and riods would allow candidates to make a few babies given the right circumstance.
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So you're basically saying that Space Marines would encourage a society of preteen orgies?
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Actually those would be legions. So it would be the Pedobear legion.
No pooper would be safe!
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Slow down, you do not want to get a high schooler started on this...
On that note, I love Spongebob. And the Salty Spittoon is filled with Space Marines. Remember, no wienies allowed, and with the kind of steroids going into a marine, well, you know.
NO! that should definitely NOT be a rule!!!! Thats just gross! I don't want some slaanesh warrior charging me, Screaming a BloodLust filled roar, with his Jolly Roger Flopping around!!!! Thats just gross! I mean.....if it was a female warrior and she wasn't that bad looking, I think I could capture a few prisoners. My 'Interrogation' skill will be most useful then - Commissar NIkev
Slow down, you do not want to get a high schooler started on this...
On that note, I love Spongebob. And the Salty Spittoon is filled with Space Marines. Remember, no wienies allowed, and with the kind of steroids going into a marine, well, you know.
NO! that should definitely NOT be a rule!!!! Thats just gross! I don't want some slaanesh warrior charging me, Screaming a BloodLust filled roar, with his Jolly Roger Flopping around!!!! Thats just gross! I mean.....if it was a female warrior and she wasn't that bad looking, I think I could capture a few prisoners. My 'Interrogation' skill will be most useful then - Commissar NIkev
Melissia wrote:I thought it was 10-15. Regardless... it could theoretically happen, however keep in mind that such drugs have an even larger effect on children than they do on adults, and the children are eating MUCH more than the adults are.
These include such negative effects as reduced sexual function and infertility.
Girls are capable of conceiving as early as 9-12, boys are capable of impregnating on the same timeline. Remember your science when you guys get into these hypothetical talks, current biology before the stims and riods would allow candidates to make a few babies given the right circumstance.
Keep in mind, modern nutrition has a lot do with that. While it's especially true in females, it affects males to certain degree as well. Given the hardship the average person in the imperium goes through (nevermind the places they draw SM candidates come from) fertility rates probably aren't terribly high.
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thegrav wrote:
Melissia wrote:I thought it was 10-15. Regardless... it could theoretically happen, however keep in mind that such drugs have an even larger effect on children than they do on adults, and the children are eating MUCH more than the adults are.
These include such negative effects as reduced sexual function and infertility.
Girls are capable of conceiving as early as 9-12, boys are capable of impregnating on the same timeline. Remember your science when you guys get into these hypothetical talks, current biology before the stims and riods would allow candidates to make a few babies given the right circumstance.
Keep in mind, modern nutrition has a lot do with that. While it's especially true in females, it affects males to certain degree as well. Given the hardship the average person in the imperium goes through (nevermind the places they draw SM candidates come from) fertility rates probably aren't terribly high.
actually the age of reproduction is lower in areas with a harder life.
you will die young so you need to reproduce at an earlier age.
modern nutrition doesn't alter the fact you can reproduce. it simply makes it more likely you will be able to survive having a baby and that the child will survive.
a dweller on a death world might actually have a better diet hunting and gathering then a Hive Dweller who eats reconstituted waste byproducts. and only those who are strong enough would survive past the age of 7-10 anyway.
Mature early or die!
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Not entirely. Current biological thinking seems to suggest that our somewhat sedentary lifestyle in modern times causes our bodies to sexually mature sooner than normal, along with the various chemicals in our diet due to hormones in beef and other livestock.
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okay, this should probably be merged with the other current topic about SM reproduction.
Melissia wrote:And you know, it amuses me that we're talking about penises in a thread entitled "What do Space Marines Eat?".
What else do you think that marines do on those long, hard voyages through the warp?
Plus, testosterone makes people aggressive. I'm under the impression that they probably keep most marines juiced on the stuff most of the time, at least to keep their muscle mass up. It takes all the special brainwashing and praying et. al. just to allow them to function relatively normally, but there's no way they could be so heightened chemically while also being castrated chemically.
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actually the age of reproduction is lower in areas with a harder life.
The reason people in the western world reproduce later is cultural, not biological.
you will die young so you need to reproduce at an earlier age.
The body is unaware of this. If it's unable to facilitate reproduction, or properly develop the reproductive organs in the first place no threat of a looming young death is going to change that.
modern nutrition doesn't alter the fact you can reproduce. it simply makes it more likely you will be able to survive having a baby and that the child will survive.
Yes it does. This is extremely basic. There are more than a couple of nutritional deficiencies that in either sex can severely hinder or even just halt reproductive function. Hell, a woman who is unable (or unwilling) to maintain a certain level of body fat will have her reproductive systems shut down an entirely (I forget the exact % of the top of my head.). It's why Amenorrhoea is one of the requirements for diagnosis of Anorexia.
a dweller on a death world might actually have a better diet hunting and gathering then a Hive Dweller who eats reconstituted waste byproducts. and only those who are strong enough would survive past the age of 7-10 anyway.
Well this is an area of speculation. Sure H&Gs tend to have pretty good nutrition and have to put in relatively little work for it at that. However, we're talking about "Death Planets" here so I'm not sure it works out exactly the same. Nutritional standards on the lower levels of the hives are yeah, probably pretty poor.
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Considering that the Rain Forests of South American and the Deserts of Africa are basically "Death Worlds" where almost anything can and will kill you I am sure we can assume that those can be used as a constant for the idea of future H&Gs on a different world.
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i belive the definition of a "Death World" is simply a world that has some sort of enviromental/ecological factor that makes the survival rate extremly low. like say in the 50% area.
Now the nutrition level of a Death Worlds inhabitants would depend on the actual climate. a Desert world will likely rely on food imports, but a Jungle world might not.
therefore if your Death World is a planet that has loads of Life then your nutrition probably is pretty good. it's just that getting that food might kill you.
On a side note: Pandora from the movie Avatar would be considered a "Death World"? Toxic atmosphere, hostile Flora and Fauna. Food is not hard to find and that which isn't toxic to humans would be nutritious.
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