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Monster Rain wrote:

Albatross wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:What is the big deal about a phrase on the money, exactly?

Who actually sits around worrying about this?

Exactly. It's almost as if this thread was started to just provoke a flame-war...

Come on, now. Someone flame-baiting in the Dakka OT forum?

I find the very idea of that offensive!

I'm offended that you could even type that. Monster!

Again, the phrase was actually added in the 1860's, but it became the national motto in the 1950's.

Interestingly enough, Teddy Roosevelt opposed the motto, because he thought it was improper to have the name of god on money.

MadEdric wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:What is the big deal about a phrase on the money, exactly?

Who actually sits around worrying about this?

The real worry is that (as shown in this very thread) most people don't know that the phrase was added to US currency in the 50's.
Many Christians use this very phrase on our money as valid reason that the Founders wanted the country to be Christian, even though it's not true.

Do you not think they'd come up with other reasons if the phrase was removed?

I will happily dispose of any currency which anyone might find problematic due to its God references.

You know what really sucks? "Under God" in the pledge of allegiance. It really feths up the meter.

Pael wrote:Also the founders of our country were very religous as well as many current americans.

Plus, "In the Grand Architect of the Universe We Trust" would've raised too many suspicions.

You have to believe in some sort of higher power to be a Mason, and since they actually run the country, I think it's going to stay.

*dons tinfoil hat*

^^ Agreed.

*dons tinfoil suit*

^^What?

*dons tinfoil suit*

I think all organized religion should be utterly destroyed.
No, that's not sarcasm. I really think the world would be a drastically better place if religion were a nonfactor.

Spirituality, however, is another matter entirely. Most of the human race is woefully out of touch with their 'spiritual side'.

MasterDRD wrote:I think all organized religion should be utterly destroyed.
No, that's not sarcasm. I really think the world would be a drastically better place if religion were a nonfactor.

I'll tell Ghandi the bad news then.

MasterDRD wrote:I think all organized religion should be utterly destroyed.
No, that's not sarcasm. I really think the world would be a drastically better place if religion were a nonfactor.

Spirituality, however, is another matter entirely. Most of the human race is woefully out of touch with their 'spiritual side'.

Prove it.

Snikkyd wrote:

MasterDRD wrote:I think all organized religion should be utterly destroyed.
No, that's not sarcasm. I really think the world would be a drastically better place if religion were a nonfactor.

Spirituality, however, is another matter entirely. Most of the human race is woefully out of touch with their 'spiritual side'.

Prove it.

Proof? This is religion we're talking about. Lets just do something random and pray it works out.

Polonius wrote:Again, the phrase was actually added in the 1860's, but it became the national motto in the 1950's.

It was first added to coins in the 1860s, but has only been on paper money at all from the '50s, shortly after it became the national motto.

Interestingly enough, Teddy Roosevelt opposed the motto, because he thought it was improper to have the name of god on money.

Bully!


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MasterDRD wrote:I think all organized religion should be utterly destroyed.
No, that's not sarcasm. I really think the world would be a drastically better place if religion were a nonfactor.

Spirituality, however, is another matter entirely. Most of the human race is woefully out of touch with their 'spiritual side'.

This thread's been interesting. Do we really need to turn it into another 'organised religion is bad' thread?

Proof? This is religion we're talking about. Lets just do something random and pray it works out.

Because we ran out of room for the second half: "All others pay cash."


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MasterDRD wrote: Most of the human race is woefully out of touch with their 'spiritual side'.

Not me. I touched it earlier in front of my inner child.

Oldgrue wrote:Not me. I touched it earlier in front of my inner child.

The police have been notified of this.

I want to point out that I wasn't saying that I had a problem with it or that it should be stricken from the records or anything so draconic. I just find it odd when people say that "God" means any diety, or is generic, when generally the capitol G version is almost always (in the US anyway) the Christian god and that it is almost always Christians that make the argument in this kind of context. I've never heard an Imam, Rabbi, or whatever make the statement. It wasn't meant to be a big thing but it sort of took on a life of its own.

Ahtman wrote:I want to point out that I wasn't saying that I had a problem with it or that it should be stricken from the records or anything so draconic. I just find it odd when people say that "God" means any diety, or is generic, when generally the capitol G version is almost always (in the US anyway) the Christian god and that it is almost always Christians that make the argument. I've never heard an Imam, Rabbi, or whatever make the statement. It wasn't meant to be a big thing but it sort of took on a life of its own.

Yeah, that's certainly true. I mean, you wouldn't go to Saudi Arabia, see they'd written 'In Allah We Trust' on their money and assume that it was a statement emcompassing the gods of all religions.

But like you said, it isn't that big of a deal.

The First Amendment prohibits government from creating law that establishes national religion, favours one religion over another or prefers religion over non-religion. Most styles of the English language dictate that a noun or pronoun referring to the Christian god should be capitalised, but properly using a compositional style does not constitute a US law. Having a national anthem or motto also does not establish a law or precedence. It simply implies that He is trusted. I only capitalise 'He' because it is correct in my language. I also put a u in favour, see?

'In God we trust' is, by congressionally established law, the national motto of the United States of America. The law makes no other statement than that this is the case - there is no suggestion that this motto might require anyone to actually give a damn one way or the other. It reality all it means it that when someone refers to the 'national motto' they are referring to the phrase in question.

If it were not for the aforementioned Catholic senator and constitutional signatory, and other such minorities, you might not have anything better than a collective 'freedom from being English'.