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The SF law requires that the meal be less than 600 calories, include vegetables and fruit (no expressed amount), and not include a drink with "excessive" sugars or fat, before a toy can legally be included.

McD hamburger is 260 calories and includes pickles and onions.
Small Fries is 230 calories, and many places (school lunches) count them as a veggie.
Add a small Sprite or Milk and it still doesnt top 600 calories (@590)

4 piece Nuggets comes in under 250 calories including sauces.

The Apple dippers are @100 calories with caramel sauce.

So the real question is..... Does this law REALLY ban Happy Meals?
The evidence says ...Not really.

Does that 600 calories not include the drink? It is kind of hard to tell from the language.

I would guess it includes the drink. But like I posted above, a Small Sprite is only @100 calories... and you know they pack those things with ice.....

Frazzled wrote:Everything's unhealthy. Water poisoning can kill you. Oxygen makes you old. Is that your standard for when government can control your life? Seriously?

What? You think the requirement that companies provide nutritional information on their food is the government controlling our lives?

Stop being silly.


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Sanctjud wrote:I know you guys kid, but I know many who would actually answer the same way seriously... it's quite sad.

I've been to China and, well, Chinese food eaten in China is not great. It isn't like Mexican food or Indian food or whatever else, it's actually a type of food that got a whole lot better when it spread out across the world. I've haven't been to a General Tso's, and I'm guessing that's pretty horrible, but seriously the average Chinese restaurant in the West is a whole lot better than the average Chinese restaurant in China.

sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Everything's unhealthy. Water poisoning can kill you. Oxygen makes you old. Is that your standard for when government can control your life? Seriously?

What? You think the requirement that companies provide nutritional information on their food is the government controlling our lives?

Stop being silly.

Well, all the information does is help people decide what they want to eat armed with simple information about the product they are about to consume.

The problem I have is that the caloric count is gonna be off a bit, depending on how much food they put on it.

kronk wrote:bs. For years each fast food restaurant has been required by law to provide nutritional information on their food in the US. They have booklets at the restaurants and you can go online and look it up. The information is there. Most people just don't take the time to look it up. You know, like a responsible parent.

Umm, what? It's been provided thanks to government regulation. It probably still isn't adequate, due to the contextless environment it is provided in, and the generally stupidly small 'standard serves' used to give the information.

And yeah, once the information is provided then it's up the parent, and that's fine. But don't pretend that information would be provided if it wasn't for government involvement.


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Kilkrazy wrote:McDonald's in the UK was pretty much forced by public opinion to offer salads and fruit in their meals thanks to their victory in the McLibel suit.

I suspect it has more to do with the mark ups available on healthy foods. You can charge $1 for an apple, so you better believe it's got a better mark up compared to a cheeseburger.

kronk wrote:
bs. For years each fast food restaurant has been required by law to provide nutritional information on their food in the US. They have booklets at the restaurants and you can go online and look it up. The information is there. Most people just don't take the time to look it up. You know, like a responsible parent.

Required by law. As in, forced to do something due to the presence of a policy enforced by the government, which is exactly what Sebster said. Like, verbatim.

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Sanctjud wrote:I know you guys kid, but I know many who would actually answer the same way seriously... it's quite sad.

I've been to China and, well, Chinese food eaten in China is not great. It isn't like Mexican food or Indian food or whatever else, it's actually a type of food that got a whole lot better when it spread out across the world. I've haven't been to a General Tso's, and I'm guessing that's pretty horrible, but seriously the average Chinese restaurant in the West is a whole lot better than the average Chinese restaurant in China.

Yeah, I've heard that from a mate who just got back from there. He said the food was terrible - VERY poor quality meat. Kind of a shame, because the food was one of the reasons he was looking forward to going. He saw someone eat a duck's beak! BLEURGH! Do not want.

Albatross wrote:

sebster wrote:

Sanctjud wrote:I know you guys kid, but I know many who would actually answer the same way seriously... it's quite sad.

I've been to China and, well, Chinese food eaten in China is not great. It isn't like Mexican food or Indian food or whatever else, it's actually a type of food that got a whole lot better when it spread out across the world. I've haven't been to a General Tso's, and I'm guessing that's pretty horrible, but seriously the average Chinese restaurant in the West is a whole lot better than the average Chinese restaurant in China.

Yeah, I've heard that from a mate who just got back from there. He said the food was terrible - VERY poor quality meat. Kind of a shame, because the food was one of the reasons he was looking forward to going. He saw someone eat a duck's beak! BLEURGH! Do not want.

Did your mate enjoy the dawn chorus of citizens hawking up their lungs and spitting up phlegm? That's a real authentic breakfast experience.

I've heard that from a friend who lived in Japan - I'll ask about China!

I for one welcome our new Kidsmeal Overlords...


always wanted to say that....

The law is frackin' slowed.

If kids want toys with junk food mom and dad will take them to Walmart, buy them a bag of chips and soda and a toy.

Just another way for "big brother" to run our lives.