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The treaty defines the way in which obligations are formed.

It could hardly define the specific forces required as when ratified in 1945 they did not have a time machine to go forwards and see what emergencies would arise.

It is like the law on speeding. The law on speeding doesn't make it an offence to drive over 30mph on the Hanwell Road when moving west between GPS locators xxx and yyy. It makes it an offence to disobey road signs indicating maximum speed. This allows for a change of speed limit to be done when needed, without a new act of parliament.

You could hardly renegotiate the UN treaty every six months, when a situation arose in Cote d'Ivoire or Chad or something.

Andrew1975 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Give 'em a bit of the grape?

Well to be fair you said support not turn into burger!

Tbone's appetite is insatiable. We've got to get TboneChow (TM) somewhere.

Slightly OT, do you feed them real bones?

Kilkrazy wrote:Slightly OT, do you feed them real bones?

Only once as a test. They both proceded to break the bones and swallow them so we stopped. We give them chews though which they freak and will attack each other over, athough they usually just try to steal them from each other (often one will try to steal and as he's doing so the other will leap and steal his now undefended bone, creating quite the merry go round). No Rusty the Tiger gets bones, but he's like, a real dog.

No-one seems to give dogs real bones anymore.

That's why there aren't any white dog eggs around.

Another great tradition gone.

White dog eggs?

Rusty still gets bones. You have to get rid of the evidence somehow, I mean those bones aren't going to bury themselves now are they?

Kilkrazy wrote:The treaty defines the way in which obligations are formed.

It could hardly define the specific forces required as when ratified in 1945 they did not have a time machine to go forwards and see what emergencies would arise.

The point remains that the War Powers Act makes it so that the President can not deploy troops to any action for more than 60 days without consulting Congress. As far as the US is concerned, our own laws outweight treaties we've signed.

Not to mention that the fact remains that regardless of any agreements the US has signed onto, they are only treaties. If the US chose to ignore them, there isn't much the UN can do, but ask the US very nicely to reconsider their decision.

Kilkrazy wrote:No-one seems to give dogs real bones anymore.

That's why there aren't any white dog eggs around.

Another great tradition gone.

This is not a bad thing!

ChrisWWII wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The treaty defines the way in which obligations are formed.

It could hardly define the specific forces required as when ratified in 1945 they did not have a time machine to go forwards and see what emergencies would arise.

The point remains that the War Powers Act makes it so that the President can not deploy troops to any action for more than 60 days without consulting Congress. As far as the US is concerned, our own laws outweight treaties we've signed.

Not to mention that the fact remains that regardless of any agreements the US has signed onto, they are only treaties. If the US chose to ignore them, there isn't much the UN can do, but ask the US very nicely to reconsider their decision.

I don't understand your point in this.

The USA is a willing founder member of the UN. The UN hasn't forced the USA to do anything. The USA has made commitments under its own law and the UN Charter. It can live up to them or not; that is something for the US government to consider, including use of War Powers Act and so on.

Any nation can go back on its word. I don't see why that would be an admirable thing to do in general.

Frazzled wrote:Give 'em a bit of the grape?

It appears that he heard you, but grape shot is so 17th century.



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