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So, #1 - who else is worried about whatever remnants of al-Qaeda rushing a counter-strike?
#2, apparently Osama was taken out by Special Forces - I'd bet money he's been tied to the back of a Humvee, and they're jumping off hills at the moment.
You're comparing it to the defeat of an entire naton in world war two. Guess what? We're not leaving afghanistan. It's one dude.
We didn't leave Japan either for....wait....we technically have never left.
We can draw a parallel between 9/11 and Osama Bin Laden's Death and the Bombing of Pearl Harbor and the Unconditional Surrender of Japan. All four events bridged an emotional and material cost our nation borne to right what was seen as a wrong dealt unfairly to American shores. Each starting event sparked a mobilization of war towards achieving a goal, and each end point meant a moral end to the effort, despite the fact the actual effort did not end.
...Right. Are you gonna drop this silly anology now or keep going?
You should scroll up.
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There were open reports from a variety of intelligence services that he was dead throughout the early 2000's. Remember that Bin Laden required kidney dialysis!!! Are we to really believe that he was getting kidney dialysis twice a week somewhere in a cave on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border? For a decade? Really? It begs credibility.
In 2007, Benazir Bhutto, the Prime Minister of Pakistan (who was later assassinated) was interviewed on television and explicitly stated that Bin Laden was dead. She also stated that he was killed by Saeed Sheikh, the same man who killed reporter Daniel Pearl. Here's a 2008 news report of it:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/15-01-2008/103426-benazir_bhutto_osama-0/
I have no doubt that the United States Government has been keeping this one on an ice slab for some time now, waiting for the perfect propaganda moment to reveal it.
In NY, we haven't forgotten. This has been a long day coming, and it helps to close a chapter in this story with no winners.
You still have a bit empty pit where there should be a building. Try putting something there. It'll fill the hole in the heart to rebuild better then just putting a coffin in a freezer.
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Lonecoon wrote:As much as i hate to celebrate the death of anyone: I'm glad he's dead. I wish we had been able to capture him, and bring him to trial, but, yeah, I can't seem to bring myself to be too sad about this.
That said, I worry for my friends in Afghanistan. Hopefully, they'll be okay.
Why even if he was captured he was gonna die. Besides the U.S. government wouldnt come up with a good enough execution (we need commissars)
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You're comparing it to the defeat of an entire naton in world war two. Guess what? We're not leaving afghanistan. It's one dude.
We didn't leave Japan either for....wait....we technically have never left.
We can draw a parallel between 9/11 and Osama Bin Laden's Death and the Bombing of Pearl Harbor and the Unconditional Surrender of Japan. All four events bridged an emotional and material cost our nation borne to right what was seen as a wrong dealt unfairly to American shores. Each starting event sparked a mobilization of war towards achieving a goal, and each end point meant a moral end to the effort, despite the fact the actual effort did not end.
...Right. Are you gonna drop this silly anology now or keep going?
With respect, the treasure, lives, and mobilization effort spent on WWII was far more significant than that spent on the War on Terrorism.
But the key similarity is that the entry of the US into WWII and the War on Terrorism changed America. True, it changed us in different ways, but both events became a watershed in our history that would influence our foreign policy and politics for years afterwards.
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Osama bin Ladin is dead By Laura Conaway - Sun May 1, 2011 10:51 PM EDT
The terrorist Osama bin Ladin is dead, NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell reports. The United States has bin Ladin's body, NBC is reporting, and he is dead as the result of an American action in Pakistan Afghanistan (or Pakistan -- this point is not clear) Abbottabad, Pakistan.
"We could be turning to a new phase," Richart Engel is saying on TV. With democracy and the push for democracy taking root across the Middle East, bin Ladin had become "despicable" in the region, he says. And now the U.S. seems to have gotten the man sought by two presidents, in Pakistan, where he'd taken shelter. This so happens to be the eighth anniversary of President George W. Bush donning that flight suit and proclaiming "mission accomplished."
President Bush led the nation into war in Afghanistan to get bin Ladin and to break up the Afghan government that had given him a base for the 9-11 attacks. Mr. Bush then led the nation into war in Iraq under several discredited rationales. American troops continue to sacrifice their lives in both countries. After failing to catch bin Ladin in Afghanistan, the U.S. expanded into what amounts to a third, undeclared war in Pakistan, run by the CIA. NBC reports that bin Ladin was not killed by a drone strike, but rather a Special Ops action that had been months in the making. NBC reports that bin Ladin was shot in the head during a firefight.
A small crowd of 50 or so people has gathered outside the White House, singing the national anthem and cheering. President Obama is expected to speak momentarily.
"Nearly 3,000 citizens taken from us, leaving a gaping hole in our hearts," President Obama said, opening with a remembrance of 9-11. He says that since then, we've removed the Taliban government that supported bin Ladin and captured scores of terrorists. He says he directed CIA chief Leon Panetta to make capturing or killing bin Ladin the top priority. Last August, Mr. Obama says, he was briefed on a lead that bin Ladin was hiding in Pakistan. Last week, he believed the United States had enough information to act. Today, the U.S. struck the compound, and killed bin Ladin. "Over the years, I have repeatedly made clear that we would take action within Pakistan if we knew where he was," Mr. Obama said. He added, "On nights like this one, we can say to families who have lost loved ones to Al Qaeda's terror, justice has been done."
Among the many official statements to come tonight from elected leaders is one from former President Bush. He writes in part, "No matter how long it takes, justice will be done."
And this from New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose primary election was scheduled for 9-11 and interrupted by the attacks: "The killing of Osama bin Laden does not lessen the suffering that New Yorkers and Americans experienced at his hands, but it is a critically important victory for our nation -- and a tribute to the millions of men and women in our armed forces and elsewhere who have fought so hard for our nation."
Rachel just tweeted, "In DC. People streaming on foot toward the WH. Car horns honking and much shouting. People hopping out of cabs in the middle of traffic. Guy on a bike just passed me with a US flag cape. Happy scrum in front of the White House -- USA! USA! Chants. One adorable very drunk guy yelling '10 Years!!'"
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Lonecoon wrote:As much as i hate to celebrate the death of anyone: I'm glad he's dead. I wish we had been able to capture him, and bring him to trial, but, yeah, I can't seem to bring myself to be too sad about this.
That said, I worry for my friends in Afghanistan. Hopefully, they'll be okay.
Why even if he was captured he was gonna die. Besides the U.S. govenrment would come up with a good enough execution (we need commissars)
hell tie him to a stake in time square, 10 bucks to spit on him 20 bucks to piss on him, 50 bucks to punch him...
infinite_array wrote:#2, apparently Osama was taken out by Special Forces - I'd bet money he's been tied to the back of a Humvee, and they're jumping off hills at the moment.
I hope that I'm not the only one saying that he doesn't deserve to be near Americans, alive or dead.
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halonachos wrote:What it changes is the fact that it shows that America can indeed hunt down and kill its enemies. People are at the White House gates cheering and singing the national anthem.
I think we said the same thing.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Really there is no more threat then there was yesterday, they are going to strike if and when they can. The big news is he was killed in a compound near Islamabad, not in some caves, you telling me Pakistan officials did not know? I hope we nuke the gak out of Pakistan, how's that for a response for telling us to halt our air strikes or else?
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-Alexis de Tocqueville.
There were open reports from a variety of intelligence services that he was dead throughout the early 2000's. Remember that Bin Laden required kidney dialysis!!! Are we to really believe that he was getting kidney dialysis twice a week somewhere in a cave on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border? For a decade? Really? It begs credibility.
In 2007, Benazir Bhutto, the Prime Minister of Pakistan (who was later assassinated) was interviewed on television and explicitly stated that Bin Laden was dead. She also stated that he was killed by Saeed Sheikh, the same man who killed reporter Daniel Pearl. Here's a 2008 news report of it:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/15-01-2008/103426-benazir_bhutto_osama-0/
I have no doubt that the United States Government has been keeping this one on an ice slab for some time now, waiting for the perfect propaganda moment to reveal it.
That or Bhutto wasn't a saint and traded in bad info.
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In NY, we haven't forgotten. This has been a long day coming, and it helps to close a chapter in this story with no winners.
You still have a bit empty pit where there should be a building. Try putting something there. It'll fill the hole in the heart to rebuild better then just putting a coffin in a freezer.
Specifically, the hole reminds us of the ineffectiveness we exhibit once we lose focus and resolve in accomplishing something. Blame it on politics, views, ect. whatever, but the hole cannot be filled with the corpse of Osama Bin Laden. But it does help.
halonachos wrote: Don't bring that crap into this moment, this is a good moment just revel in it.
Yeah, I agree.
this is almost as big as when we beat Japan in WW2 if not bigger.
It really isn't. That's really doing a disservice to the scale of WWII and the people who fought it.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
We cut off one of the hydra's heads and all we can do, as a nation, after 10 years of death and pain and sorrow is shout BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD AND SKULLS FOR HIS THRONE from every door, window, and forum.
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There were open reports from a variety of intelligence services that he was dead throughout the early 2000's. Remember that Bin Laden required kidney dialysis!!! Are we to really believe that he was getting kidney dialysis twice a week somewhere in a cave on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border? For a decade? Really? It begs credibility.
In 2007, Benazir Bhutto, the Prime Minister of Pakistan (who was later assassinated) was interviewed on television and explicitly stated that Bin Laden was dead. She also stated that he was killed by Saeed Sheikh, the same man who killed reporter Daniel Pearl. Here's a 2008 news report of it:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/15-01-2008/103426-benazir_bhutto_osama-0/
I have no doubt that the United States Government has been keeping this one on an ice slab for some time now, waiting for the perfect propaganda moment to reveal it.
Go put on your tinfoil hat and go somewhere else. We're celebrating.
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Hargus56 wrote:Really there is no more threat then there was yesterday, they are going to strike if and when they can. The big news is he was killed in a compound near Islamabad, not in some caves, you telling me Pakistan officials did not know? I hope we nuke the gak out of Pakistan, how's that for a response for telling us to halt our air strikes or else?
The President explicitly stated this was done with the approval of the Pakistani government.
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Slackermagee wrote:We cut off one of the hydra's heads and all we can do, as a nation, after 10 years of death and pain and sorrow is shout BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD AND SKULLS FOR HIS THRONE from every door, window, and forum.
When it comes down to it we all follow the blood god.
With the increase in U.S. security in the past 10 years, it is unlikely that the terrorists could do much to us here, but our soldiers who are still in Afghanistan are in danger. That's what I'm worried about.
Mike Noble wrote:With the increase in U.S. security in the past 10 years, it is unlikely that the terrorists could do much to us here, but our soldiers who are still in Afghanistan are in danger. That's what I'm worried about.
If they aren't in danger somewhere then we're paying them a lot of money for not a lot of use.
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There were open reports from a variety of intelligence services that he was dead throughout the early 2000's. Remember that Bin Laden required kidney dialysis!!! Are we to really believe that he was getting kidney dialysis twice a week somewhere in a cave on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border? For a decade? Really? It begs credibility.
In 2007, Benazir Bhutto, the Prime Minister of Pakistan (who was later assassinated) was interviewed on television and explicitly stated that Bin Laden was dead. She also stated that he was killed by Saeed Sheikh, the same man who killed reporter Daniel Pearl. Here's a 2008 news report of it: http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/15-01-2008/103426-benazir_bhutto_osama-0/
I have no doubt that the United States Government has been keeping this one on an ice slab for some time now, waiting for the perfect propaganda moment to reveal it.
Go put on your tinfoil hat and go somewhere else. We're celebrating.
He does have a right to voice his opinion. It means that we live in America where we can say things and criticize to our leisure.
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