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Like much of kids TV/film MLP:FiM is designed to appeal to both the children watching and their parents watching it with them, this is why it appeals to an older audience.

ChrisWWII wrote:I brought it up once before at end of season 1. I don't call making 'two threads' excessively spamming the forum. And this thread seemed to actually begin to enter a good direction.

Maybe it's the abomination that the last thread turned into has permanently soured my opinion. I'm open to consider that.

ChrisWWII wrote:Besides, Powerpuff Girls, Samurai Jack and Fosters Home were all directed at children audiences, but they are still widly accepted as good cartoons by adults. MLP can (and in my opinion is) the same. The only difference is that it is traditionally thought of as a children's show.

I don't think that it is the only difference. I think that's our fundamental impasse.

ChrisWWII wrote:I understand that you don't like the show. And I'm fine with that. However, it'd be great if you stopped insulting fans for liking something you don't like.

I didn't intend to insult anyone. I was answering your question:

ChrisWWII wrote:

Zyllos wrote:

Of course, Ahtman does bring up a good point and giving you a reality check, you are a male, older than 4 years old, watching "My Little Pony".

So?

honestly.

I'm not going to pretend I know what you... "Bronies" (I shudder at the word) see in that show, but I'm going to give my opinion, and I believe that MR will agree with me:

I laughed at the last line in that Spoiler, out loud, for probably a full minute.

Couldn't agree more about Foster's. Very well said!

Monster Rain wrote:
Maybe it's the abomination that the last thread turned into has permanently soured my opinion. I'm open to consider that.

I'd wager it's that. The last thread turned into a pic spam fest far too fast...

I don't think that it is the only difference. I think that's our fundamental impasse.

Fair enough.

I didn't intend to insult anyone. I was answering your question.

Sorry, I intepreted your 'may be seen as attention seeking' as more of an insult than you meant it. My apologies.

Chowderhead wrote:snipped review

While I disagree with your assertion that all bronies should be castrated (whatever happened to respecting your opponent?) I will admit that compared to MLP, Fosters WAS the superior show just for the reasons you mentioned.

MLP:FiM's greatest weakness is the lack of an overarching story arc. I acknowledge that, and wish it was different. Rumors say such an arc may be coming in season 2, so here's hoping. However, I still hold that--when viewed as a slice of life show--it is a thoroughly enjoyable show.

I also disagree that there is no character development. As a slice of life show, despite the lack of the overarching story arc, the characters ARE consistent, and as a result, we get a deeper look into them. They are not one note characters. To be perfectly honest, all of the main characters have major problems in their psychology.

I would also point out that your summar is subverted by episodes like A Dog and Pony Show. If your synopsis were true, you'd expect it to be about the more gung ho ponies trying to rescue poor, helpless Rarity. Instead, Rarity practically saves herself. This subversion shows that the show does not revolve around simple one note plots like you allege.

ChrisWWII wrote:

While I disagree with your assertion that all bronies should be castrated (whatever happened to respecting your opponent?)

It was a little joke. I respect Bronies (I hate that word, it sounds like Brownies too much.), I however, just don't seem to like the show that much.

I will admit that compared to MLP, Fosters WAS the superior show just for the reasons you mentioned.

Thank you for that.

MLP:FiM's greatest weakness is the lack of an overarching story arc. I acknowledge that, and wish it was different. Rumors say such an arc may be coming in season 2, so here's hoping. However, I still hold that--when viewed as a slice of life show--it is a thoroughly enjoyable show.

I did not know this. Good for the shows creators!

I also disagree that there is no character development. As a slice of life show, despite the lack of the overarching story arc, the characters ARE consistent, and as a result, we get a deeper look into them. They are not one note characters. To be perfectly honest, all of the main characters have major problems in their psychology.

Interesting choice of words. I can understand what you are saying and trying to get across, but you wrote it in such a fashion that it contradicts itself.

I would also point out that your summar is subverted by episodes like A Dog and Pony Show. If your synopsis were true, you'd expect it to be about the more gung ho ponies trying to rescue poor, helpless Rarity. Instead, Rarity practically saves herself. This subversion shows that the show does not revolve around simple one note plots like you allege.

This helps my case even further. I actually went ahead wand watched the show (I'd give it a 6/10. Not the worst, but is funny at moments. I can see why people like it.) and noticed that Rarity doesn't have any real cange in her personality after that event. In a show like Fosters, there would be a change in the person after an event like that. Take my favorite character from Fosters, Eduardo. Eduardo is stuck in a shopping mall, and must talk to strangers, a very hard thing for him to do. He does is, and in the following episodes, you can see that Eduardo is having a much easier time, even showing up on TV!

What I'm trying to get at is that MLP:FiM isn't a bad show. If the rumors are true, and that the story will be fleshed out more, I may find myself watching from time to time. Until then, I have to say I dislike it. I don't hate it, but I don't like it.

ChrisWWII wrote:

Zyllos wrote:

Of course, Ahtman does bring up a good point and giving you a reality check, you are a male, older than 4 years old, watching "My Little Pony".

So?

I really think the 'So' is a sort of... "So are you really sure you want other people to know about this?" kinda So.

Don't get me wrong please. We all have our guilty pleasures. Not all of us broadcast them in public though. I think for a lot of people the fact that someone openly talks about what they do, is far weirder than them actually doing it.

Though in fairness you have made me feel much better about my guilty pleasure, which is (perhaps unsurprisingly) Warhammer.

Chowderhead wrote:

I also disagree that there is no character development. As a slice of life show, despite the lack of the overarching story arc, the characters ARE consistent, and as a result, we get a deeper look into them. They are not one note characters. To be perfectly honest, all of the main characters have major problems in their psychology.

Interesting choice of words. I can understand what you are saying and trying to get across, but you wrote it in such a fashion that it contradicts itself.

I would definately say they have major problems in their psychology, if it's not always so apparant.

While yes, Rarity is always a sort of fashionesta, and Twilight is always a book worm, they do show different personality traits as to not seem so one sided.

Chowderhead wrote:
It was a little joke. I respect Bronies (I hate that word, it sounds like Brownies too much.), I however, just don't seem to like the show that much.

I'm sorry.

I appear to snapping back at jokes like that a little harshly since the 'bronies are pedophiles' comment.

I did not know this. Good for the shows creators!

Lauren Faust is married to the bloke who made Fosters and PPG after all, and worked on it.

Interesting choice of words. I can understand what you are saying and trying to get across, but you wrote it in such a fashion that it contradicts itself.

Not necessarily. While the STORY may not create arcs (e.g. Star Trek TNG, where a large number of episodes were stand alone), the characters themselves do experience development over time.

This helps my case even further. I actually went ahead wand watched the show (I'd give it a 6/10. Not the worst, but is funny at moments. I can see why people like it.) and noticed that Rarity doesn't have any real cange in her personality after that event. In a show like Fosters, there would be a change in the person after an event like that. Take my favorite character from Fosters, Eduardo. Eduardo is stuck in a shopping mall, and must talk to strangers, a very hard thing for him to do. He does is, and in the following episodes, you can see that Eduardo is having a much easier time, even showing up on TV!

Once again, I admit that Fosters is the superior show. I could however argue that the situations are different.

Eduardo had a problem--his shyness--that he managed to overcome. However, Rarity did not have a problem she had to overcome in the same sense. The episode wasn't about how prim and proper Rarity needed to learn how to be a bit more rough and tumble to get out of a situation; it was about how prim and proper Rarity was always intelligent enough to get out of such a situation on her own, in contrast to how others thought she would need saving.

In that sense, it's not that Rarity overcame a problem in such a way that we would expect to see a major change in her character, it's more about how Rarity is expressing herself in a way that we simply haven't seen before.

A better example of the situation you're referring to would be Fluttershy. Like Eduardo, Fluttershy started off as a shy scaredycat who could barely talk to strangers (unless they were cute animals). However, over the course of the season, you get to see how other member of the main cast give her advice on how to deal with those problems. A good example would be how in A Bird in the Hoof Fluttershy was acting as her usual kind self in trying to care for an uncooperative animal, with Twilight Sparkle telling her that she NEEDS to be more assertive and tough in her love.

Fast forward to the end of Season 1, and you get Fluttershy taking Twilight's advice to heart (perhaps a little too much.)

Other characters who have been in situations where their character would change--e.g. Applejack after Applebuck Season, Pinkie Pie after Party of One. and Twilight after Feeling Pinkie Keen--have simply not been placed back in such a situation yet, a problem that arises from the relatively short length of the season.

Time will tell if the creative team behind MLP takes such changes to heart like Foster's did, or not.

What I'm trying to get at is that MLP:FiM isn't a bad show. If the rumors are true, and that the story will be fleshed out more, I may find myself watching from time to time. Until then, I have to say I dislike it. I don't hate it, but I don't like it.

And I'm perfectly fine with that. Hopefully the later seasons do live up to your expectations.

ChrisWWII wrote:

I'm sorry.

I appear to snapping back at jokes like that a little harshly since the 'bronies are pedophiles' comment.

Apology accepted. And I haven't seen this comment, though it sounds very hate filled. If you don't mind, would you post a link to it?

Lauren Faust is married to the bloke who made Fosters and PPG after all, and worked on it.

TBH, that makes a lot of sense. I love PPG and Fosters, and can see why people love MLP. The Fausts are excellent at their craft.

Not necessarily. While the STORY may not create arcs (e.g. Star Trek TNG, where a large number of episodes were stand alone), the characters themselves do experience development over time.

That makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the clarification!

Once again, I admit that Fosters is the superior show. I could however argue that the situations are different.

Eduardo had a problem--his shyness--that he managed to overcome. However, Rarity did not have a problem she had to overcome in the same sense. The episode wasn't about how prim and proper Rarity needed to learn how to be a bit more rough and tumble to get out of a situation; it was about how prim and proper Rarity was always intelligent enough to get out of such a situation on her own, in contrast to how others thought she would need saving.

In that sense, it's not that Rarity overcame a problem in such a way that we would expect to see a major change in her character, it's more about how Rarity is expressing herself in a way that we simply haven't seen before.

A better example of the situation you're referring to would be Fluttershy. Like Eduardo, Fluttershy started off as a shy scaredycat who could barely talk to strangers (unless they were cute animals). However, over the course of the season, you get to see how other member of the main cast give her advice on how to deal with those problems. A good example would be how in A Bird in the Hoof Fluttershy was acting as her usual kind self in trying to care for an uncooperative animal, with Twilight Sparkle telling her that she NEEDS to be more assertive and tough in her love.

Fast forward to the end of Season 1, and you get Fluttershy taking Twilight's advice to heart (perhaps a little too much.)

Other characters who have been in situations where their character would change--e.g. Applejack after Applebuck Season, Pinkie Pie after Party of One. and Twilight after Feeling Pinkie Keen--have simply not been placed back in such a situation yet, a problem that arises from the relatively short length of the season.

Time will tell if the creative team behind MLP takes such changes to heart like Foster's did, or not.

Hmm. I haven't seen any episodes aside from a few minutes of the one about Rarity (That one scene of her escaping) and the first episode. Your explanation is well thought out, and has a lot of points, such as Fluttershy, that I have to agree with.

And I'm perfectly fine with that. Hopefully the later seasons do live up to your expectations.

Look, buddy. I don't have the highest standards. I'll openly admit my love for Buttercup and her ass kicking ways. And yes, I hope to like the next season of My Little Pony: Why the hell is Chowder posting about MLP at 2:30 in the morning better than the first. It looks very promising, and hopefully the Faust team can work their magic!

Chowderhead wrote:]
Apology accepted. And I haven't seen this comment, though it sounds very hate filled. If you don't mind, would you post a link to it?

From the begining of the thread:

Perkustin wrote:Speaking completely seriously your infatuation with a childs toy gravely concerns me, i hope you dont plan on working with, having or stealing any children. Notice the lack of orkmoticons, i am deadly serious mate.

...Yeah

TBH, that makes a lot of sense. I love PPG and Fosters, and can see why people love MLP. The Fausts are excellent at their craft.

Yep. It's part of why /co started looking at the series in the first place.

That makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the clarification!

No problem. I was a bit rushed when I made that first post, so I'm glad I could make it more clear.

Hmm. I haven't seen any episodes aside from a few minutes of the one about Rarity (That one scene of her escaping) and the first episode. Your explanation is well thought out, and has a lot of points, such as Fluttershy, that I have to agree with.

Watch the rest of A Dog and Pony Show it's one of the better episodes imho. Really shows a bit more about Rarity.

Look, buddy. I don't have the highest standards. I'll openly admit my love for Buttercup and her ass kicking ways. And yes, I hope to like the next season of My Little Pony: Why the hell is Chowder posting about MLP at 2:30 in the morning better than the first. It looks very promising, and hopefully the Faust team can work their magic!

Indeed! (Blossom was my favourite though. ) Yeah, I'm hoping that things develop better. I've seen very few cartoons recently as promising as MLP, and I'm hoping it'll only get better as time goes on.

In all due honesty, I'm a transvestite, so, this brony thing isn't so strange. Honestly, I love the cartoon, even though it'll never replace touhou in my heart.

So....we're tolerating and accepting each other now?

THE PONY PROCESS!

IT'S BEGUN!

Er... What? I'm not breaking rule one, and actually *GASP!* Watched some of MLP. It's decent, and I can see why the Pony People (There, I found a name that doesn't make me stab orphans) like it.

TL;DR: I actually went ahead and watched the material that you refuse to even glance at, and made my opinons from there. I didn't make them based on things from way back in the 80's. I may not be a Pony Person, but I do stand for knowing what the feth you are arguing about.

purplefood wrote:As much as my desire is to make fun of the show and those that watch it i feel compelled to admit it is strangely hypnotical... you watch 5 minutes out of curiosity and bam! you end up watching the entire damn season...

This. This is truth right here.

remilia_scarlet wrote:In all due honesty, I'm a transvestite, so, this brony thing isn't so strange. Honestly, I love the cartoon, even though it'll never replace touhou in my heart.

Are you from Transexual Transylvania?

Chowderhead wrote:Er... What? I'm not breaking rule one, and actually *GASP!* Watched some of MLP. It's decent, and I can see why the Pony People (There, I found a name that doesn't make me stab orphans) like it.

TL;DR: I actually went ahead and watched the material that you refuse to even glance at, and made my opinons from there. I didn't make them based on things from way back in the 80's. I may not be a Pony Person, but I do stand for knowing what the feth you are arguing about.

You dun make me proud, Chowderhead. You dun make me proud.

Slarg232 wrote:
Are you from Transexual Transylvania?

Ha, that was a good one, I dunno, maybe?

Ugh.. can't we keep the pony filth out of this forum?

Soladrin wrote:Ugh.. can't we keep the pony filth out of this forum?

Nope.avi

coolyo294 wrote:This post reminds me of some of the hate I get for liking Strike Witches.

Honestly, people need to piss off and let people enjoy what they like within legal boundaries, rather than take it upon themselves to state their disdain.


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Soladrin wrote:

All I can say is...

Because Hank Scorpio is awesome?

Luckily, I don't like ponies (except for dinner...) so your quivering lip doesn't effect me!

remilia_scarlet wrote:All I can say is...

Spoiler:

Auuuuugh! Make it stop!

Soladrin wrote:Because Hank Scorpio is awesome?

Luckily, I don't like ponies (except for dinner...) so your quivering lip doesn't effect me!

Then do refrain from posting in this thread.

remilia_scarlet wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:
Are you from Transexual Transylvania?

Ha, that was a good one, I dunno, maybe?

It's from the Rocky Horror Picture Show, he's a trans-transvestite, from Transexual, Transylvaniiiiiaaa...

Soladrin wrote:Ugh.. can't we keep the pony filth out of this forum?

What makes it filthy?

You've never had to care for an actual pony have you?

Soladrin wrote:You've never had to care for an actual pony have you?

I have.

Was talking to slarg.. I'l leave this abomination now

Soladrin wrote:You've never had to care for an actual pony have you?

No, but I stayed at a holiday inn once....

Soladrin wrote:Was talking to slarg.. I'l leave this abomination now

Thanks you.