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kronk wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

notprop wrote:

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:>Drink tons of beer, get drunk, wrap car around pole
>Smoke tons of weed, don't drive, sit in house and talk about world issues

>Alcohol is legal
>Pot isn't

The problem is that you are equally as dangerous driving a car under the influence of weed as you are of alcohol.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN that is hilarious! Where the hell did you read that???

Dude, anything that affects your judgement, hand-eye coordination, or reaction time should not be taken if your going to go driving. This includes many legal perscription drugs. It doesn't take a genius to know that. I don't think you'll find many Pro-pot folks that think it's a good idea to take a drag then go driving.

How about you knock off the attitude?

I didn't say anything about it being safe to drive under the influence of marijuana. It's obviously not. But to say that it's the SAME as alcohol is very ignorant. It doesn't take a genius to know that.

No attitude here, I honestly find it funny how some people perceive marijuana.

Edit: read this http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2008/jan/11/truth_about_driving_when_youre_h

I was one of those pro pot peeps that NEVER drove after a session, no matter how small or brain drainingly large it was. It would be like driving through a fog.... No way no how guys. Like any drug, prescription or not, you should never do anything that involves hand eye coordination after a smoke. Unless your gaming of course, then it makes you better....

nectarprime wrote:
Edit: read this http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2008/jan/11/truth_about_driving_when_youre_h

From a site called "stop the drug war..." I'm 100% certain that's not biased.

I'll trust this site

Marijuana
THC affects areas of the brain that control the body’s movements, balance, coordination, memory, and judgment, as well as sensations. Because these effects are multifaceted, more research is required to understand marijuana’s impact on the ability of drivers to react to complex and unpredictable situations. However, we do know that—

A meta-analysis of approximately 60 experimental studies—including laboratory, driving simulator, and on-road experiments—found that behavioral and cognitive skills related to driving performance were impaired in a dose-dependent fashion with increasing THC blood levels.12

Evidence from both real and simulated driving studies indicates that marijuana can negatively affect a driver’s attentiveness, perception of time and speed, and ability to draw on information obtained from past experiences.

A study of over 3,000 fatally injured drivers in Australia showed that when marijuana was present in the blood of the driver, he or she was much more likely to be at fault for the accident. Additionally, the higher the THC concentration, the more likely the driver was to be culpable.13

Research shows that impairment increases significantly when marijuana use is combined with alcohol.14 Studies have found that many drivers who test positive for alcohol also test positive for THC, making it clear that drinking and drugged driving are often linked behaviors.

I'm not going to argue that pot makes you as poor a driver as alcohol. You just need to know that it affects your driving. I've taken pain medication following surgeries, and I certainly didn't need a website to tell me it was a bad idea to drive while on said medication. That's my point, nectarprime.

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Marijuana and tobacco are not used together.

And concerning the comparison of marijuana to tobacco and alcohol, marijuana is much less damaging and almost entirely non addictive (physically, it is still possible to become psychologically addicted) in comparison to the legal leisure drugs.

Ummm, actually in the vast majority of cases, marijuana and tobacco are mixed together to make a joint or spliff depending on your choice of language and slang. Of course you can smoke it in it's untarnished green form from a pipe or a bong, but as a rule you generally mix Dope and 'baccy to make a smoother smoke....

Well, honestly, I've only ever used a pipe, a bong, or a vapourizor. Did a joint once, didn't care for it too much.

I am a fan legalize and tax. Set the age 21 Kids can get a hold of it just like they can beer but that's kinda just how it goes. Never been to stoned to do my job i work in a very fast passed kitchen and have a dragon of a stone oven breathing on my back and a bunch of other cooks yelling numbers of orders every thirty seconds ...Pot helps me focus .

Regarding the pot/tobbacco mixing. Where I live, BC, the bud is so good and so tasty (if you like the taste of smoke) that to mix it with commercial tobacco would be like have KD alongside your prime rib.

Whereas out East, where the pot is of a lesser quality, one mixes it to 'smooth' the taste and draw.

Yep, and at the end of the day slicing your arm with a knife is a lot less harmful than putting a 12 gauge shotgun barrel in your mouth and pulling the trigger. Doesn't make it safe or advisable though.

My arm to cut up, my head to blow off. Go away. You ain't paying for the damage...if ya are, we have much larger issues to contend with.

I say legalize it. I've never touched it, have no desire to. You want to shove <CENSORED> in your system that is A-OK by me...so long as you keep it on your own time. If you cannot manage this I really don't CARE what you have in you, we have a problem. Alcohol, drugs, other drugs with a doctors note magically making it "OK" , it does not matter one whit to me. Shove yourself full of Krokodil for all I care, but I expect you to keep your <CENSORED> wired tight.

On that note I would much rather have to deal with stoners than alcoholics. My experience is one rapidly and irrationally turns violent, whereas the other only turns violent were you to get between them and the cheetos. Guess which one is which. (Psst: It's the legal one. Legal only because after it was banned it got enough people pissed off and shooting at governmenty types that it became more trouble than it was worth.)

SOFDC wrote:
I say legalize it. I've never touched it, have no desire to. You want to shove <CENSORED> in your system that is A-OK by me...so long as you keep it on your own time. If you cannot manage this I really don't CARE what you have in you, we have a problem. Alcohol, drugs, other drugs with a doctors note magically making it "OK" , it does not matter one whit to me. Shove yourself full of Krokodil for all I care, but I expect you to keep your <CENSORED> wired tight.

Welcome to the Libertarian Party.

Thanks for the welcome, but about 10 years late!

Shadowbrand wrote:BC's highest grossing import is pot.

And our reputation across Canada is this.





Feels good man.

How could BC import it's own bud? Also isn't lumber BC's biggest industry?

SOFDC wrote:

Yep, and at the end of the day slicing your arm with a knife is a lot less harmful than putting a 12 gauge shotgun barrel in your mouth and pulling the trigger. Doesn't make it safe or advisable though.

My arm to cut up, my head to blow off. Go away. You ain't paying for the damage...if ya are, we have much larger issues to contend with.

I say legalize it. I've never touched it, have no desire to. You want to shove <CENSORED> in your system that is A-OK by me...so long as you keep it on your own time. If you cannot manage this I really don't CARE what you have in you, we have a problem. Alcohol, drugs, other drugs with a doctors note magically making it "OK" , it does not matter one whit to me. Shove yourself full of Krokodil for all I care, but I expect you to keep your <CENSORED> wired tight.

On that note I would much rather have to deal with stoners than alcoholics. My experience is one rapidly and irrationally turns violent, whereas the other only turns violent were you to get between them and the cheetos. Guess which one is which. (Psst: It's the legal one. Legal only because after it was banned it got enough people pissed off and shooting at governmenty types that it became more trouble than it was worth.)

As long as my tax dollars in some part fund health care for those not buying their own inusrance, I am paying for the damage.

But that wasn;'t my point with what you quoted, and you know that. My point was and remains, that folks saying pot is 'not as bad' as what ever they are comparing it to does not make it 'good'.

But go ahead and take me out of context...

CptJake wrote:

SOFDC wrote:

Yep, and at the end of the day slicing your arm with a knife is a lot less harmful than putting a 12 gauge shotgun barrel in your mouth and pulling the trigger. Doesn't make it safe or advisable though.

My arm to cut up, my head to blow off. Go away. You ain't paying for the damage...if ya are, we have much larger issues to contend with.

I say legalize it. I've never touched it, have no desire to. You want to shove <CENSORED> in your system that is A-OK by me...so long as you keep it on your own time. If you cannot manage this I really don't CARE what you have in you, we have a problem. Alcohol, drugs, other drugs with a doctors note magically making it "OK" , it does not matter one whit to me. Shove yourself full of Krokodil for all I care, but I expect you to keep your <CENSORED> wired tight.

On that note I would much rather have to deal with stoners than alcoholics. My experience is one rapidly and irrationally turns violent, whereas the other only turns violent were you to get between them and the cheetos. Guess which one is which. (Psst: It's the legal one. Legal only because after it was banned it got enough people pissed off and shooting at governmenty types that it became more trouble than it was worth.)

As long as my tax dollars in some part fund health care for those not buying their own inusrance, I am paying for the damage.

But that wasn;'t my point with what you quoted, and you know that. My point was and remains, that folks saying pot is 'not as bad' as what ever they are comparing it to does not make it 'good'.

But go ahead and take me out of context...

But you can't deny that it is a little nonsensical to ban something because it is bad while allowing something that is worse to remain legal.

As it is easier for my to get pot than it is booze, I have no question that it's going to be legalized.

rubiksnoob wrote:

CptJake wrote:

SOFDC wrote:

Yep, and at the end of the day slicing your arm with a knife is a lot less harmful than putting a 12 gauge shotgun barrel in your mouth and pulling the trigger. Doesn't make it safe or advisable though.

My arm to cut up, my head to blow off. Go away. You ain't paying for the damage...if ya are, we have much larger issues to contend with.

I say legalize it. I've never touched it, have no desire to. You want to shove <CENSORED> in your system that is A-OK by me...so long as you keep it on your own time. If you cannot manage this I really don't CARE what you have in you, we have a problem. Alcohol, drugs, other drugs with a doctors note magically making it "OK" , it does not matter one whit to me. Shove yourself full of Krokodil for all I care, but I expect you to keep your <CENSORED> wired tight.

On that note I would much rather have to deal with stoners than alcoholics. My experience is one rapidly and irrationally turns violent, whereas the other only turns violent were you to get between them and the cheetos. Guess which one is which. (Psst: It's the legal one. Legal only because after it was banned it got enough people pissed off and shooting at governmenty types that it became more trouble than it was worth.)

As long as my tax dollars in some part fund health care for those not buying their own inusrance, I am paying for the damage.

But that wasn;'t my point with what you quoted, and you know that. My point was and remains, that folks saying pot is 'not as bad' as what ever they are comparing it to does not make it 'good'.

But go ahead and take me out of context...

But you can't deny that it is a little nonsensical to ban something because it is bad while allowing something that is worse to remain legal.

If you start expecting the world to make sense Life (TM) is going to go particularly hard for you.

rubiksnoob wrote:
But you can't deny that it is a little nonsensical to ban something because it is bad while allowing something that is worse to remain legal.

Again, please take my comment in context. The line of mine he quoted was a reply to:

At the end of the day it's personal choice, but smoking a joint is a lot less harmful than snorting a line and mainlining some Heroin.....

Heroin isn't legal.

CptJake wrote:

At the end of the day it's personal choice, but smoking a joint is a lot less harmful than snorting a line and mainlining some Heroin.....

Heroin isn't legal.

And yet it's classified as a drug worse than pot.

Humf. One bang up job the system is doing.

Chowderhead wrote:And yet it's classified as a drug worse than pot.

Humf. One bang up job the system is doing.

Heroin and Marijuana are both Schedule I drugs (in the U.S.)

Cocaine and barbituates are Schedule II.

This is because there are accepted medical uses for these drugs.

Chowderhead wrote:

CptJake wrote:

At the end of the day it's personal choice, but smoking a joint is a lot less harmful than snorting a line and mainlining some Heroin.....

Heroin isn't legal.

And yet it's classified as a drug worse than pot.

Humf. One bang up job the system is doing.

Er...whats your point exactly? Heroin is generally a worse drug than Marijuana. Both are criminal offenses in many locations and both can impair your driving. So can a cell phone, eating pizza, or Selma Hayak jogging along the road. Mmmm.... jogging...

biccat wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:And yet it's classified as a drug worse than pot.

Humf. One bang up job the system is doing.

Heroin and Marijuana are both Schedule I drugs (in the U.S.)

Cocaine and barbituates are Schedule II.

This is because there are accepted medical uses for these drugs.

Whoops, my bad. Got Cocaine and Heroin mixed up.

Chowderhead wrote:

biccat wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:And yet it's classified as a drug worse than pot.

Humf. One bang up job the system is doing.

Heroin and Marijuana are both Schedule I drugs (in the U.S.)

Cocaine and barbituates are Schedule II.

This is because there are accepted medical uses for these drugs.

Whoops, my bad. Got Cocaine and Heroin mixed up.

Do that at the wrong time and you're going to have a really bad day.

nectarprime wrote:

kronk wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

notprop wrote:

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:>Drink tons of beer, get drunk, wrap car around pole
>Smoke tons of weed, don't drive, sit in house and talk about world issues

>Alcohol is legal
>Pot isn't

The problem is that you are equally as dangerous driving a car under the influence of weed as you are of alcohol.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN that is hilarious! Where the hell did you read that???

Dude, anything that affects your judgement, hand-eye coordination, or reaction time should not be taken if your going to go driving. This includes many legal perscription drugs. It doesn't take a genius to know that. I don't think you'll find many Pro-pot folks that think it's a good idea to take a drag then go driving.

How about you knock off the attitude?

I didn't say anything about it being safe to drive under the influence of marijuana. It's obviously not. But to say that it's the SAME as alcohol is very ignorant. It doesn't take a genius to know that.

No attitude here, I honestly find it funny how some people perceive marijuana.

Edit: read this http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2008/jan/11/truth_about_driving_when_youre_h

Ah the cool kids have turned up then.

The article you link states impairment due to use in the first couple of paragraghs. Not that any research is necessary to know this, your impaired or you are not surely? Seems pretty ignorant to me to not understand simple english but if you are wasting your time reading quality journalisn such as you link to then that attitude would seem par for your particular course.

Genius indeed.

notprop wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

kronk wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

notprop wrote:

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:>Drink tons of beer, get drunk, wrap car around pole
>Smoke tons of weed, don't drive, sit in house and talk about world issues

>Alcohol is legal
>Pot isn't

The problem is that you are equally as dangerous driving a car under the influence of weed as you are of alcohol.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN that is hilarious! Where the hell did you read that???

Dude, anything that affects your judgement, hand-eye coordination, or reaction time should not be taken if your going to go driving. This includes many legal perscription drugs. It doesn't take a genius to know that. I don't think you'll find many Pro-pot folks that think it's a good idea to take a drag then go driving.

How about you knock off the attitude?

I didn't say anything about it being safe to drive under the influence of marijuana. It's obviously not. But to say that it's the SAME as alcohol is very ignorant. It doesn't take a genius to know that.

No attitude here, I honestly find it funny how some people perceive marijuana.

Edit: read this http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2008/jan/11/truth_about_driving_when_youre_h

Ah the cool kids have turned up then.

The article you link states impairment due to use in the first couple of paragraghs. Not that any research is necessary to know this, your impaired or you are not surely? Seems pretty ignorant to me to not understand simple english but if you are wasting your time reading quality journalisn such as you link to then that attitude would seem par for your particular course.

Genius indeed.

What are you getting at?
Are you trying to say that driving under the influence of alcohol and marijuana is the same thing?
Also, spell check and grammar are your friends. Use them

nectarprime wrote:

notprop wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

kronk wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

notprop wrote:

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:>Drink tons of beer, get drunk, wrap car around pole
>Smoke tons of weed, don't drive, sit in house and talk about world issues

>Alcohol is legal
>Pot isn't

The problem is that you are equally as dangerous driving a car under the influence of weed as you are of alcohol.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN that is hilarious! Where the hell did you read that???

Dude, anything that affects your judgement, hand-eye coordination, or reaction time should not be taken if your going to go driving. This includes many legal perscription drugs. It doesn't take a genius to know that. I don't think you'll find many Pro-pot folks that think it's a good idea to take a drag then go driving.

How about you knock off the attitude?

I didn't say anything about it being safe to drive under the influence of marijuana. It's obviously not. But to say that it's the SAME as alcohol is very ignorant. It doesn't take a genius to know that.

No attitude here, I honestly find it funny how some people perceive marijuana.

Edit: read this http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2008/jan/11/truth_about_driving_when_youre_h

Ah the cool kids have turned up then.

The article you link states impairment due to use in the first couple of paragraghs. Not that any research is necessary to know this, your impaired or you are not surely? Seems pretty ignorant to me to not understand simple english but if you are wasting your time reading quality journalisn such as you link to then that attitude would seem par for your particular course.

Genius indeed.

What are you getting at?
Are you trying to say that driving under the influence of alcohol and marijuana is the same thing?
Also, spell check and grammar are your friends. Use them

They may be different, but it's still impairing you. I'm pro-pot, and even I know not to smoke and drive.

You know, I never really gave this a HUGE amount of thought because I grew up in the Bible Belt. You just do not do drugs, period. So the answer was simple when this first started, legalization would be a no-go. But after graduating from college, certain issues and situations have been expressed in a different light, in ways I would have never been exposed to if I had not went to college. So, sitting here thinking about this, either we continue on the same path we currently are (and no amount of money/time will change the situation) on, placing people in prison (which I think is good, it's civil disobediance and deliquience) but does not solve the problem at it's core. Like someone said earlier in the thread, placing the users in jail does not solve the problem when the organized crime is the problem.

So what if marijuana became legal? Well, immediately, all convicted persons of marijuana possession and distribution, usage, and what other legal laws are against it, will have to be released. This, I am unsure if is a good or bad thing. It most certainly releaves the stress placed on our prison system, thats for sure. But what other issues would be caused by the indirect action of a sudden release of people from prison? Another thing that comes to mind, with the legalization of marijuana would also follow the big business of marijuana. Hey, who doesn't like the sudden increase of tax revenue to your county, state, or nation? But with big business comes competition and organized crime does not like competition. For some reason, I forsee sudden rises in violent crimes due to gang activity towards these newly legitimized businesses. And after the violence settles down, the more covert crimes of extortion to said businesses. But maybe that is something that we would need to stick through, pushing hard to protect those people and businesses who are just trying to sell a product.

Just the few thoughts here written down, I am not so convinced that legalization of marijuana is the best course of action. Maybe future events, ideas, or just more understanding of marijuana itself would lead me to better make a decision on to legalize marijuana or not. So as it stands, I am on the fence, but slightly leaning against legalization of marijuana.

@chowder - Yes, reread my other posts, obviously being high inhibits your driving skill, and is not a good idea. All I'm saying is that it is not nearly as bad as driving drunk, to lump them together as the same thing would be wrong.

Zyllos wrote:So what if marijuana became legal? Well, immediately, all convicted persons of marijuana possession and distribution, usage, and what other legal laws are against it, will have to be released.

First, you're presenting a false choice. There are options besides "continue as we are" and "legalize it."

Second, the above-quoted section isn't correct. Simply because an act is now legal does not mean that the people imprisioned for violating the law should (or must) be released.

I suppose the biggest problem I have with the "legalize it" movement is that most proponents of legalized weed tend to be potheads. That's like asking NAMBLA for their position on pedophilia. Or hookers for their position on decriminalizing prostitution.

nectarprime wrote:@chowder - Yes, reread my other posts, obviously being high inhibits your driving skill, and is not a good idea. All I'm saying is that it is not nearly as bad as driving drunk, to lump them together as the same thing would be wrong.

Why because you want to justify a certain type of behaviour?

If you are impaired (whatever the source) you are a dangerous driver. To suggest that weed is less of a problem because booze is more popular is poppycock.

biccat wrote:

Zyllos wrote:So what if marijuana became legal? Well, immediately, all convicted persons of marijuana possession and distribution, usage, and what other legal laws are against it, will have to be released.

First, you're presenting a false choice. There are options besides "continue as we are" and "legalize it."

Second, the above-quoted section isn't correct. Simply because an act is now legal does not mean that the people imprisioned for violating the law should (or must) be released.

I suppose the biggest problem I have with the "legalize it" movement is that most proponents of legalized weed tend to be potheads. That's like asking NAMBLA for their position on pedophilia. Or hookers for their position on decriminalizing prostitution.

I do not understand the whole legal system but it seems to make sense to me that holding someone in jail for a law that does not exist violates a few Amendments or other civil laws. About having other options, what "other" options are there in regards to legalization? We either do it or not?

notprop wrote:

nectarprime wrote:@chowder - Yes, reread my other posts, obviously being high inhibits your driving skill, and is not a good idea. All I'm saying is that it is not nearly as bad as driving drunk, to lump them together as the same thing would be wrong.

Why because you want to justify a certain type of behaviour?

If you are impaired (whatever the source) you are a dangerous driver. To suggest that weed is less of a problem because booze is more popular is poppycock.

Because booze is more popular? Huh?

If you really think alcohol and marijuana are equally dangerous, you have a very ignorant outlook.

Well, immediately, all convicted persons of marijuana possession and distribution, usage, and what other legal laws are against it, will have to be released

Not really. You are convicted and given a sentence based on laws at that time, not future laws. I can see where it would act as a mitigating circumstance at parole hearings and could also be used to justify early release to relieve overcrowding, but in and of itself the law changing would not dictate mass releases.