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Nrljm wrote:I can't help but notice that some of your models have a very dark grey resin. Are they recast bots off eBay by any chance?

Nope, they are just subject to vallejo grey primer I have pretty much abandoned black primer since I started airbrushing.
I am very aware of whom I buy FW stuff on ebay from, and there's a certain Russian atm that seems to be selling a lot of crappy recasts sadly and I have no plans to help him continue his shady business.
I usually buy fw bits from the ebay store Valhalla gaming as they regularly stock up on fw marine stuff and have great customer service

That's fair enough, do you have a link to their store? Iv notice all the dodgy Russian recasts on eBay too, and I'm trying to find a reputable bits source for FW bits atm

My mk II landspeder build is also base coated in VMC grey primer, but I can see how it could resemble the dodgy resin used by that Russian guy.
This is the store I usually use http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Valhalla-Gaming?_trksid=p4340.l2563
Keep an eye on there as he regularly get cool bits home, but they tend to get ripped away faster than the emperor devours souls :p

Okay so it's time for that parts rundown, so I can get some piece of mind
I will divide it into two separate categories, crew and speeder. The crew will just be described, the speeder will have pics to illustrate a bit as it isn't really that complicated to repose some legs and arms and make sitting crew.

The crew:
What you need:
-The mkII gunner arms from the fw sm tank crew http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Vehicle-Accessories/SPACE_MARINE_TANK_CREW_.html
-Any of the mkII legs from fw will do, I used parts from 3 different pairs to make mine.
-I used two of the BA torsos with the livery removed, but the mkII torsos work equally fine.
-4 mkII shoulder pads.
-2 mkII helmets
a pair of mkII shooting arms.

How to do it:
Cut the socket for the backpack off, so the marines can sit properly in their seats. Cut and reposition the legs. add the torsos and heads. Wait to attach and reposition the arms till the speeder is built so you can adjust them to fit.


The speeder:
What you need:
-The seats, exhausts and the targeting screen from a 2nd edition land speeder (the targeting screen is from the ravenwing speeder, and is optional as it isn't actually on the standard speeder)


-A land speeder storm.
Specifically these parts (marked in red)



-These parts from a baal predator (marked in red).


-The exhausts from a whirlwind (marked in red).


-The bottom, exhaust and an extra wing from a normal land speeder.
-1mm plasticard.
-0,5mm plasticard.
-thin plastic rod for rivets, or any other sort of rivets that fit your style. Mine are from the beams in the CoD sets from GW.
-A skull from a chaos marine torso belt buckle or a similar medium sized skull.

Optional parts for detailing, in the case of my Imperial Fists speeder I used the following components to detail it:
-A fw imperial fists icon pack, for the round icons http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Vehicle-Accessories/IMPERIAL---CRIMSON-FISTS-ICON-PACKS.html
- the bike kit-bags from this kit http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440277a&prodId=prod1110187
-A name plate from the black templars brass etch http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Etched_Brass/ETCHED-BRASS-BLACK-TEMPLARS-SYMBOLS.html

These can of course be substituted with any detailing you want.

- the guns:
A heavy bolter from the land raider proteus kit http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Tanks/LAND-RAIDER-PROTEUS.html
alternatively a heavy bolter from the heavy weapons kit here might also work http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Infantry-Accessories/SPACE_MARINE_HEAVY_WEAPONS_SET.html

-the autocannon from a IG heavy weapons team
-assault cannon, mounting and search light from a land speeder.


How to do it:

Start by building the engine, cut the parts as in the diagram.


The two segments of the tank goes together to built the middle section of the engine, then you add the top, bottom and exhaust sections. Then cut the whirlwind exhausts flat on the backside and glue them in. then cut the 2nd ed exhausts attachment pins off and glue them on top of the exhausts on the assembled engine.
Remove the side grills on the engine, cut the fuel tank covers from the baal predators, the part you need to remove is the vertical flat edge so you are left with the top part and the angled edge. attach on top of engine.

then for the front and middle section.


Cut off the spoiler that is marked in green on the top front section, this is what attaches the engine to the rest of the speeder and is where the tail fin is attached (the extra fin from the land speeder). Cut the panel from the seats and attach the panel to the spoiler, then cut the top and bottom front as shown in the diagram and assemble them, then attach the piece to the control panel, this is also where the control panel for the driver is installed.

Next you skin the front and sides in 1mm plasticard(not the top of the front) to make the characteristic angled nose for the mkII look, you then ad a rectangle and a triangle in the front to create the panel detail on the nose, this is made in 0,5mm plasticard. the array is also installed and the small lights that goes in the gunners side of the land speeder storm is used as the base for the drivers display with the lenses cut off. Ad the targeting screen, rivets, skull and other detail.

The seats section is made by cutting the bottom of the normal land speeder as shown in green on the diagram, then you beef out the middle section of the speeder with. Attach the seats to the land speeder bottom part that you have cut, and make it fit on the speeder, DO NOT GLUE IT IN PLACE it will make it impossible to install the drivers later.

Add the braces from the land speeder storm on top of the engine exhausts and under the seats.
Fit the drivers arms to match the controls of the speeder.

Assemble all the parts and remember to add the bottom tail fin/auspex array too.

The heavy bolter needs to be cut to fit, which depending on which type you use it will involve cutting the back of the gun to be level.

The autocannon is made by cutting the barrel off the assault cannon and replacing it with the one from the IG autocannon, then mount it on the mounting, cut the light from the searchlight and mount it reversed, add the lenses cut from the drivers screen as targeting lenses.

That's about it, hope this is enough to satisfy you guys. Remember to refer to the pics of the finished model when building to give a visual idea of what part you are building and how it goes together.

Happy building lads ;D

Wow awesome tut! Didnt realise there was such a selection of parts

May give this a go when i get round to my sons of medusa, speaking of which i just started a TS Vaylund Cal

Major update time

I have had my doubts from the start of this project about a certain aspect of doing a great crusade era force, a part which is really defining and will take a lot of work and which I initially wasn't going to do because it didn't feel right.
I am of course talking about the big man himself, the man in the golden armour (no, not the emperor ;p ), one of the greatest tactical minds in the imperium, Lord Primarch of the VII Legion Astartes, Rogal Dorn!

It is really a matter of taste, but many modellers would love to have a primarch lead their legion on the battle field, and I am no different. I originally hadn't got any idea of what to base Dorn on, so I decided he wasn't going to be part of this IF army. Then one faithfull evening about a month ago I started playing around with some components, and suddently He was there, right in front of me, Rogal Dorn, as an uncut piece of marble, a diamond in the rough.

And so it was that I changed my twisted mind yet again (happens once or twice a week on this project or every time FW releases new SM models... ) and decided to include the master of the Imperial Fists.

Without more babbling I present to you the very VERY early stage of Rogal Dorn.



I would grately appreciate some feedback on this guy as I am forming a strong idea in my head about how I would do the elaborate amount of detail his armour will need to stand out. My main concern is the weapons, I am thinking of having some fun with magnets so I can swap between his gun and his ccw, but I can't decide what weapon to actually arm him with, all I've decided is that I really don't like the chainsword idea as it seems to crude a weapon for a master warrior of his stature. The sword on the main picture is an old GK sword with the gun removed, I am considering using it on the model, although it will take quite some modification.

I will take a great deal of inspiration in the original artwork from the collected visions book by John Blanche and this piece of art that I found online (credit goes to the genius behind although sadly I don't know who he is)



That's it for now, there might be an update later today as I jut got my tartaros pattern terminators, and IF brass etch

Lol is that title supposed to be so small!

Haha, not many can resist the lure of the primarchs I think i agree with you on the chainsword, though in all the pics it is one hell of a beastly chainsword! Im not sure i like the bolt pistol particularly, dunno why. I reckon the sword could work nicely, a hammer could equally fit with the IF theme.

At the end of the day, primarchs are such badasses that they could pretty much take any weapon they wanted and use it to the same effectiveness. So you've pretty much got free reign.

It looks like a great start though, really nice.

Glad to see you're back at full steam with this project

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Lol is that title supposed to be so small!

Haha, not many can resist the lure of the primarchs I think i agree with you on the chainsword, though in all the pics it is one hell of a beastly chainsword! Im not sure i like the bolt pistol particularly, dunno why. I reckon the sword could work nicely, a hammer could equally fit with the IF theme.

At the end of the day, primarchs are such badasses that they could pretty much take any weapon they wanted and use it to the same effectiveness. So you've pretty much got free reign.

It looks like a great start though, really nice.

Glad to see you're back at full steam with this project

Haha no it was supposed to be really big XD I guess the text format works differently on Dakka

Yeah the pistol isn't final as I too have my doubts on it, but it is very early on in building phase so much can happen I have the lysander hammer lying around and it might work, I'll have to try some different weapons before I decide.

Sadly I'm not back on full steam, but I have snug up to about 50% :p

50% is definitely acceptable! Its more than i usually manage

Okay so Monday I got my tartaros terminators, and I was a bit disappointed with the quality of the casts, not entirely up to the standard I am used to from fw.

I've played around with the kit and started building them, so here's the first pics. On this stage nothing is final, and everything could happen.

First here's a scale shot with them next to my primarch, Dorn is a really big boy


Closeup of the sergeants shield, which is from Asterion Molok. I really didn't feel like removing the big minotaurs skull as it looks so good (the shield is one of the crispest cast parts I've seen from fw in my life, and there was virtually no cleanup! It is however not made with the new spin casting technique like the tartaros terminators and with the usual resin. It seems it's the spin cast technique that gives a lot of trouble, or maybe the finer grade of resin is more prone to bubbles)

The fluff for the giant minotaur skull will be something along the lines of this;

"The shield of Minos, currently residing in the personal armoury of Rogal Dorn, was presented to him as a gift from one of the noble houses of Terra, the house of Minos, upon his first visit to Terra after being reunited with his father. The shield is an ancient device depicting the head of a Minotaur as an ancient Terran legend tells of a mighty hero, son of gods, who defeated the beast and came to be the founder of a great city that would unite his people, the addition of an imperial aquila put the analogy of the legend in perspective with the great crusade, how mighty heroes fight the vicious beasts of the universe to build a kingdom of unity for all of humanity. The laurel is an ancient battle honour, and the personal emblem of the current holder is displayed amidst one at the bottom of the shield. The noble family felt a strong similarity between Dorn and the hero of the legend, and have so since bolstered the ranks of the VII legion with many fine young astartes recruits, and the house of Minos is one of the most stoic supporters of the imperial fists among all the noble houses of Terra. The shield is usually worn in combat by the highest ranking astartes descending from the house of Minos, decreed by Dorn as an honour to the house and their dedication to support the VIIth legion and the great crusade"


The second wip tartaros terminator. Also here's a look at some of the bubble problems in the casts, but they will be covered with detail and GS later on, also the crux terminatus wll be removed to keep in style with the pre-heresy feel.



Even though I was slightly disapointed with the termies, I was more than happy that my expectations to the IF brass etch were met + some
I have been a fan of photo etched detail for many years now and they never disappoint, and fw have really made a gem in the IF etch! Especially all the very small icons at the bottom or the frame are great for adding small detail.

So to show an example here's what I did to finish the commanders shoulderpad:



I have detailed elsewhere how I got to the first stage, after this I used the tip of my exacto blade to inscribe the circle to create the outer rim, then I added the cracks akin to the fw style icons and then finally I added the brass etch fist. I caan only encourage people to go and buy these fw brass etch kits as they are worth every penny!

Wow, those tartaros termies are so cool! On that note ive also seen some awesome true scales with those legs, that is a very expensive way to go though

The mino shield looks great, and nice little bit of fluff to go with it I also cant get over how cool that heavy flamer is, fw style flamers always kick ass.

Now if only they did some sons of medusa brass etch Speaking of which, i've finally started my true-scale sons of medusa in my imperium blog, would you mind taking a look?

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Wow, those tartaros termies are so cool! On that note ive also seen some awesome true scales with those legs, that is a very expensive way to go though

The mino shield looks great, and nice little bit of fluff to go with it I also cant get over how cool that heavy flamer is, fw style flamers always kick ass.

Now if only they did some sons of medusa brass etch Speaking of which, i've finally started my true-scale sons of medusa in my imperium blog, would you mind taking a look?

Thanks mate, I actually took a look the other day but for some reason I forgot to toss a reply, I'll go do it now I think you should take a look at what this guy just got, he might be able to hook you up with some of those SoM pads he has http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?332505-The-Sons-of-Medusa-2000-points-in-less-than-4-weeks

And I think the true scale marines belong to Apologist, I know he used them on his TS ultra marines

Oooh, nice link, cheers buddy. I will hit him up

A quick update:

Tartaros terminators are shaping up nicely. I've used loads of brass etch parts on these to give them some detail, and they will all have shoulder decorations too.



A wip techmarine/master of the forge, I am not sure if he'll be a part of this army, but he might end up being. The conersion beamer is based on the fw dreadnought siege hammer.


I'd greatly appreciate some input on these, especially the MotF

The tartaros termies look ridiculously cool, the brass etch adds so much character to them. The varied poses make for a really dynamic and interesting squad. And the chains on the sergeant are a very nice addition. Where does the starburst type etch come from? (the one in the top right box out)

The Master of the Forge is looking really nice too. I think thats the first time ive see a 'hand held' conversion beamer before, and i have to say i much prefer it like that. It makes him seem menacing, coldly striding forward as he hefts his huge gun to fire on the enemy. Really like the bit on the end of the gun, the 'muzzle' i guess. Looks great. Small thing, but the opus machina on that metal bit is upside down

Really awesome work as usual tda, keep it up!

Man, that conversion beamer is boss. Would make Orks jealous. Can't wait to see more.

Were are Dons legs from


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Vitruvian XVII wrote:The tartaros termies look ridiculously cool, the brass etch adds so much character to them. The varied poses make for a really dynamic and interesting squad. And the chains on the sergeant are a very nice addition. Where does the starburst type etch come from? (the one in the top right box out)

The Master of the Forge is looking really nice too. I think thats the first time ive see a 'hand held' conversion beamer before, and i have to say i much prefer it like that. It makes him seem menacing, coldly striding forward as he hefts his huge gun to fire on the enemy. Really like the bit on the end of the gun, the 'muzzle' i guess. Looks great. Small thing, but the opus machina on that metal bit is upside down

Really awesome work as usual tda, keep it up!

Thanks mate The shoulder detail is an iron halo from the black templars brass etch with a skull from the tartaros crux terminatus on top They're on a lot of the different fw brass etch sheets with different insignia inside them.
And glad you like the CB, I've seen a few hand held like this and ultimately decided to rework my old servo arm mounted version into this, which is also why the opus is upside down as it was originally meant to bo upside down :p I'll of course change it when I finish the detailing of the techmarine

Swordwind wrote:Man, that conversion beamer is boss. Would make Orks jealous. Can't wait to see more.

Thanks There'll be loads more, I promise

VenerableDreadnoughtKroak wrote:Were are Dons legs from

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They're from the fw lord zhulfor model With the chaos and world eater stuff removed.

Great stuff, truly inspirational stuff. I love my 30k Iron Hands.

Out of interest, as we cannot get the 2nd edition Metal Landspeeder as it is OOP. Would it be illegal to start casting the parts in Resin? I'm guessing so as the IP is still GW, but if you did it just for yourself and didn't sell them?

I'm sure FW will release one soon.

Im pretty sure its not even illegal to cast any parts for your own use, but im no ip lawyer.

I reckon a fw one would look awesome, id be interested to see how they brought it 'into line' with the current range.

Wow, another blog of pre heresy awesome! That contemptor has to be one of the best interpretations I've seen, and as an ardent kitbasher I love your speeder guide. Tremendous stuff! What's next then, eh?

mwnciboo wrote:Great stuff, truly inspirational stuff. I love my 30k Iron Hands.

Out of interest, as we cannot get the 2nd edition Metal Landspeeder as it is OOP. Would it be illegal to start casting the parts in Resin? I'm guessing so as the IP is still GW, but if you did it just for yourself and didn't sell them?

I'm sure FW will release one soon.

Well technically reproducing parts aren't illegal as long as they are for personal use, any distribution of IP protected parts however is prohibited. Generally there's also a mixed reception on selfcast parts, so it is easiest just to do it and never tell anyone

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Im pretty sure its not even illegal to cast any parts for your own use, but im no ip lawyer.

I reckon a fw one would look awesome, id be interested to see how they brought it 'into line' with the current range.

Yeah I'm pretty sure fw would make a great one if they ever did do one

inmygravenimage wrote:Wow, another blog of pre heresy awesome! That contemptor has to be one of the best interpretations I've seen, and as an ardent kitbasher I love your speeder guide. Tremendous stuff! What's next then, eh?

Thanks a lot The next building project is to finish some of the builds I've started, like dorn and the tartaros termies, and then the cataphract armoured termies After that I have to order some more tanks and stuff from fw

Amazing! Love the look of the Terminators, and the MkII Landspeeder looks fantastic.

Can't wait to see Rogal Dorn complete.

Mat

I also meant to say, as someone with a better of a c-beamer obsession, yours is boss. Thieved!

Time for a small update.

First off is a bit of progress on the big guy in charge, Dorn has got a sword! I decided to go with a blade as that is ultimately one of my favourite weapons and I'm actually not too big a fan of chainswords to be honest..


I've also gotten the replacement legs for the mispackaged ones from FW and they threw in an extra frame of arms so I could build the guy I had left over as it took them almost 5 weeks to get me the replacements. So I decided to build a chaplain, and added quite a handful of extra bits.


I've also been lucky enough to test out the awesome fast curing silicone products from Lamenter, sold over at http://masteroftheforge.com/ and it is some fantastic products! I used the liquid blu stuff, a fast setting 2 parts silicone rubber that cures in only 20 minutes!! This is a real time saver and is great for fast replication of your custom built parts
I used it to cast my scratch built shoulder pads for my cataphractii terminators, as it would have taken me ages to build pads for them all, and I have the option of adding more termies in the future (maybe some guest appearances from other legions, I have a few planned at least)
I'll have a ful review of the liquid blu stuff and also the fast setting silicone putty, blu stuff, up soon. I just need to test the blu stuff moulds of my custom built leather straps for the termies shoulders, which will be moulded in green stuff for maximum flexibility

Anyways, here's the termies as they look now.


I also had the time to fiddle around with some more veterans, but they are still very WIP.


That's all for now

Looking great as per usual!!

May have to look into some of that silicon stuff. What do you use as the actual casting material??

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Looking great as per usual!!

May have to look into some of that silicon stuff. What do you use as the actual casting material??

It's great, but somewhat expensive for larger moulds, bu for small moulds like this it's amazing

The casting material is Sika G26 Polyurethane Casting Resin from sylmasta http://www.sylmasta.com/acatalog/copy_of_Sika_Casting_Resins.html

It's great, and easy to work with, and they sell a starter kit too, which is what I started out with, and it's really great

Wow, really nice, I must admit it is partly (read mainly) this log that has got me thinking of doing a pre heresy Salamanders force. The fact the amount of money I would have to invest to even get a couple of squads of Salamanders, though your Dorn has me tempted to try Vulkan, have no idea how I would do him though.... Must admit I was not sold on the Tartaros pattern terminators, but now you've got me thinking of getting some for my Thousand sons or the potential Salamanders army. One of the most inspirational plogs all round.

Thanks for the link! Definitely need to start casting now ive sculpted some ts marines

Zarathustra Suicune wrote:Wow, really nice, I must admit it is partly (read mainly) this log that has got me thinking of doing a pre heresy Salamanders force. The fact the amount of money I would have to invest to even get a couple of squads of Salamanders, though your Dorn has me tempted to try Vulkan, have no idea how I would do him though.... Must admit I was not sold on the Tartaros pattern terminators, but now you've got me thinking of getting some for my Thousand sons or the potential Salamanders army. One of the most inspirational plogs all round.

Thanks a lot I'd love to see some pre-heresy salamanders, so please do them And I'll have to warn you that the general impression I've gotten is that all the tartaros terminator sets are pretty much the same quality as mne, which frankly was pretty bad considering what FW usually delivers, I guess they have some huge problems with that spin casting technique...

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Thanks for the link! Definitely need to start casting now ive sculpted some ts marines

That would be awesome mate