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Defeatmyarmy wrote:Well, decided this event is not worth using my PTO on, not gonna waste my time going to this event. There's just too many new things I have going on right now to learn a 200+ page book on rules in a month and working full time and painting my army to a high quality level. Due to the fact that you changed it to 6th after I payed with no refunds allowed is just too much of a headache so Im going to just let that go since thats only 3 hours pay.

$50 wasted, lesson learned: always pay last minute, cause anything can happen, like my 2 co-workers who were supposed to cover my shift: 1 quit, the otehr one fired for being an idiot. Frontline Games this weekend is going to be my last tournament until the BAO.. Best of luck to all who can attend, really wanted to go to this.

I'm sorry that you feel that way. For what it's worth, we're putting a huge amount of effort into making it easy to play sixth edition at this event, including prepping articles and videos about the new rules that we'll be publishing on our website next week, selling the core rulebook at 25% off with the purchase of a singles ticket, and eliminating the paint requirement entirely.

We're also very proud to announce that our paint competition is now a Crystal Brush Qualifier! Enter your single model for a chance to win airfare to Adepticon and compete for $10,000 at the Crystal Brush!

How would 6th ed alter the paint requirement?

IronfrontAlex wrote:How would 6th ed alter the paint requirement?

The "I don't have time to paint the new units that 6e makes good for my army" discussion.

Janthkin wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:How would 6th ed alter the paint requirement?

The "I don't have time to paint the new units that 6e makes good for my army" discussion.

Exactly; we figure that learning the new rules and building new models is more than enough work to cram into a month.

If you haven’t already heard, the Golden Throne Grand Tournament will be the first major event in the United States to use the Warhammer 40,000 sixth edition ruleset. After careful consideration, we’ve made the following adjustments to our tournament format:

We will play six Swiss rounds (four on Saturday, two more on Sunday), and the top four players following those rounds will play two bracketed single elimination games to determine final standings and the overall tournament champion.

The main event will be played at 1500 points. We will allot 2 hours and 15 minutes per round.

We will be using BRB scenarios, which will be finalized and posted tomorrow, July 4.

The Team Tournament format has been adjusted as well; 750pts per player, 1500pts per team. We'll post the scenarios tomorrow, July 4.

We have completely eliminated our paint requirement; if you want to build an entirely new army based on the new rules, go for it. We won’t penalize you in any way for not being painted.

Allies and fortifications are allowed per the sixth edition rulebook. For instructions on how fortifications are deployed please refer to our Scenarios page.

Mysterious Forest and Mysterious River rules are in effect, with the following modification: the first player to encounter mysterious terrain rolls on the appropriate table (BRB pg 102-103), and thereafter all terrain of the same type is treated the same. For example, if a player encounters a Mysterious Forest and rolls a 4 – Ironbark Forest, all forests on the board will be treated as Ironbark Forests for the remainder of the game.

We will not use special rules for Battlefield debris (BRB pg 104-105; specifically Reserves modification, benefits from statues, etc.), but we will apply cover saves as noted on those pages.

We’re still selling the sixth edition rulebook at 25% off MSRP with the purchase of a Golden Throne ticket.

Games Workshop has updated the FAQs for all legal armies to comply with sixth edition rules.

We will be posting articles explaining the new ruleset on our website beginning July 4.

We are currently building a sixth edition FAQ of our own to deal with uncommon rules interactions that have not been spelled out in official documents. Have a question? Ask us, and we’ll add it to the FAQ!

Scenarios have now been posted!

Please send any rules questions you have to me through dakka's PM system or email at rpace@heroesonpaper.com. We'll answer them quickly and next week we'll release an event-specific FAQ.

This wont be a FoB qualifier, right?

Nope.

So I have purchased my ticket and now trying to see how to get the rulebook at 25% off. Is there a link I missed? if so sorry. What information do I need to give? or is the rulebook an at the door purchase?

whitespirit wrote:So I have purchased my ticket and now trying to see how to get the rulebook at 25% off. Is there a link I missed? if so sorry. What information do I need to give? or is the rulebook an at the door purchase?

We have a rulebook + ticket bundle on the website at the same place you bought your ticket. If you missed that, PM me your email address and I'll send you a Paypal invoice.

What's the deadline on new stuff being allowed? For instance, if Codex: Dark Angels or Codex: Chaos drops July 30th or August 1st, will it be allowed at this event, or will you guys go with the old rules in such cases?

Fetterkey wrote:What's the deadline on new stuff being allowed? For instance, if Codex: Dark Angels or Codex: Chaos drops July 30th or August 1st, will it be allowed at this event, or will you guys go with the old rules in such cases?

No new releases will be used this time around. I highly doubt that's going to be an issue; it's unlikely GW will release a new codex within a month of the new edition.

Sounds good. Does the same go for new stuff that might get added in White Dwarf?

Fetterkey wrote:Sounds good. Does the same go for new stuff that might get added in White Dwarf?

Yes. We won't be adding any new rules at this point no matter where they come from.

Our Sixth Edition FAQ is now up on the website. We'll be adding to this FAQ all the way up to the event, and will have it available on-site during the tournament.

Buy your ticket today and be one of the first players in the country to compete under the sixth edition rules!

Is there a forum where we can discuss the FAQ or would this be an appropriate venue for that?

Amerikon wrote:Is there a forum where we can discuss the FAQ or would this be an appropriate venue for that?

Our Facebook group would probably be the best place; you can find that here. You can also call the store at (209) 473-4999 or use the email link on the FAQ itself if you have questions or concerns.

We've begun posting rules articles on our website explaining the specifics of sixth edition.

Here's an article on Psychic Powers by Alex Hein.
Here's an article on Wound Allocation by Alex Hein.
Here's an article on Close Combat by Tim Trammel.

Please let me know if there's a topic you'd like us to cover!

Hey Rob, we've got a pretty big group coming from out store and the Team. How are you guys doing pairings? Can we not play each other first round? That is always a bummer when you travel to an event and have to play someone you play all the time, first round.

Reecius wrote:Hey Rob, we've got a pretty big group coming from out store and the Team. How are you guys doing pairings? Can we not play each other first round? That is always a bummer when you travel to an event and have to play someone you play all the time, first round.

We will offer pairings breaks for the first round so that you won't have to play someone that you came with. For every other round pairings will depend entirely on standings.

Totally understandable, and thanks! Looking forward to this event.

Reecius wrote:Totally understandable, and thanks! Looking forward to this event.

Looking forward to seeing you there! We just confirmed the concessions stand will be serving hot dogs, nachos and beer. Should be a good time.

I have a couple questions regarding your FAQ for this event:

Q: Does Rending apply to Hammer of Wrath attacks?
A: No, because pg 37 of the BRB states that HoW attacks are resolved at AP -.

Why wouldn't Rending apply if a model's, as an example a Necron Wraith, attacks are already AP -? Rending is triggered on the to wound roll, not the to hit roll, and is a special rule for that model that is not dependant on the AP value of any weapons it has. Why shouldn't a model get the special rules given to it?

Q: Is Dante’s Axe Mortalis an Unusual Power Weapon (AP3)?
A: No. Dante’s Axe Mortalis has no special rules aside from being Master-Crafted, and is therefore a Power Axe.

I have to disagree with this. Because Dante's Axe has the Master Crafted special rule then it is classified as an Unusual Power Weapon. If the Axe was just a plain Power Weapon with no additional rules attached then you look at the weapon to see what kind of weapon it is...in the case of Dante it would be classified as a Power Axe if it wasn't Master Crafted.

@Rob

Nachos, Pizza and Beer! Hell yeah!

See you there.

Zathras wrote:Why wouldn't Rending apply if a model's, as an example a Necron Wraith, attacks are already AP -? Rending is triggered on the to wound roll, not the to hit roll, and is a special rule for that model that is not dependant on the AP value of any weapons it has. Why shouldn't a model get the special rules given to it?

Hammer of Wrath attacks are resolved at a model's base strength and AP - regardless of wargear. These attacks are reflective of models colliding at high speed, and not tactical strikes in close combat.

I have to disagree with this. Because Dante's Axe has the Master Crafted special rule then it is classified as an Unusual Power Weapon. If the Axe was just a plain Power Weapon with no additional rules attached then you look at the weapon to see what kind of weapon it is...in the case of Dante it would be classified as a Power Axe if it wasn't Master Crafted.

Giving a common special rule to a weapon does not make it Unusual. Dante's Axe Mortalis has no special rules aside from Master-Crafted, and is therefore a Master-Crafted Power Axe.

Questions:

A: will you be incorporating the possible BAO style warlord traits roll (IE: a roll of 4 on the warlord table would let you take a #4 roll from one of the three)?

B: Can a Necron Doomscythe's death ray, which marks a point (never specifying if that point can be on an enemy model or not) withing 12" of the gun fire at other flyers as well? nowhere in the FAQ or the codex does it state that it cannont, not does it say that the weapon is a "template" weapon anywhere either. All further information state that it's a 1mm wide beam and that the tesla destructor can then target one of the units under the line to fire at.

IronfrontAlex wrote:A: will you be incorporating the possible BAO style warlord traits roll (IE: a roll of 4 on the warlord table would let you take a #4 roll from one of the three)?

No. We have made minimal changes to the already-quite-level playing field of sixth edition. The changes we've made are:

-Players should first roll off to place objectives, then roll off to choose deployment zones. The only situation in which a player should know their deployment zone prior to placing objectives is when playing The Emperor’s Will.
-Prior to deployment, and beginning with the player deploying first, each player must deploy any Fortifications they may have in their own deployment zones. Fortifications may not be placed within 3″ of a board edge. If it is impossible to deploy a Fortification, the controlling player may adjust one piece of terrain the minimum distance necessary for their Fortification to be deployed.
-The first time a Mysterious table roll is made in any game (for Mysterious Forests, Rivers, and Objectives), the result is applied to all applicable targets on the board. For example, if the first player to encounter a forest discovers that it is an Ironbark Forest, the same rule will apply to all forests on the board.

B: Can a Necron Doomscythe's death ray, which marks a point (never specifying if that point can be on an enemy model or not) withing 12" of the gun fire at other flyers as well? nowhere in the FAQ or the codex does it state that it cannont, not does it say that the weapon is a "template" weapon anywhere either. All further information state that it's a 1mm wide beam and that the tesla destructor can then target one of the units under the line to fire at.

We'll research this and post an answer in our FAQ and here on Monday.

We're excited to announce Bounty Matches at the Golden Throne San Jose! Each round we'll select two matches to place bounties on, and the winner of those matches walks away with a 4-pack of Armory Spray Primer courtesy of GTM Magazine!

Want to play in a bounty match? Tell us why we should pick you! We'll base our selections on anything from an innovative army build to a great paint scheme or cool conversions.

Looks like I'll be there with my Coalition of Sisters. They will be defending their Fortress(!) against many heretics and xenos I'm sure.

We're only a week away from the Golden Throne!

Just a quick note -- we're not allowing the new White Dwarf Chaos Daemons rules, since they're way too new for this tournament.

See you next week!