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What is the difference between WoTR and LoTR? Is it the same as apocalypse and non-apocalypse?

I don't know about apocalypse... For wotr I would look on my blog at the battle reports, it gives you a good sense of the game.
http://www.eastgrinsteadwargamers.blogspot.co.uk/

Regarding the differences, let me start with the similarities -
The rounds/phase are the same, priority, move & magic, shoot, (charge for wotr) then fight...

In wotr the troops go in movement trays and all warriors in that formation have the same stats, apart from heros. The battles although bigger can be quite fast once you are up to speed with the rules. You need lots of models to play.

Lotr each warrior has his own stats based on armour and weapon and moves independently. You can play with a handful of figures.

Both use the same models, both are good games in their own right. I hope this helps, I am writing from my phone so can't write an indepth report!

Currently have 24 harad warriors, 6 raiders and the betrayer. Only went into GW for the sourcebook and bought all that. So start of my collection XD

It;s only undercoated atm, my friends still got all my paints lol then he moved out of my building and took my paints and stuff with him lol.

Did you forget the sourcebook

Well, i also bought the 24 guys in a different store. As i could still get the old boxes there

But it;s the start of an army. I was so damn close to buying a Mumak though. They had one left in there and i really wanted it.

I got an old box too recently, it's a pity GW reduced the amount

If you want it then buy it

I will do when i already have a decent sized force built up. I'd rarely get to use it so atm it would be a waste of my money.

And we can't just go around wasting money

not when i'm skint :( Tis no fun.

What is the appeal of the haradrim?

Oliphants (Mamuks )

Can't spell their real name lol

yes, Mumaks do have something to do with it XD I mainly like them cause i can get them for cheap Plus i like the general look of them and they're kinda shooty based forces (50% bow cap helps) Love the idea of the whole arab look of them. Plus Mumaks XD I mean no other army has anything like them.

Actually mordor what the great beast of gorgoroth which is like a mini version but its doesn't really match up to the mamuk

Nothing matches up to the mumak. It has like 2 and a half pages of rules and is like over 12 inches tall. Not sure exactly on size but it's blooming massive.

Atleast with the great beast of gorgoroth the guys come on the howdah for free. Or atleast that;s what i'm guessing from looking at the bit on the GW site.

Haha yeah nothing really compares to it

Yeah the guys are free, and there is 9 of them meaning you get an effective 54 point discount off it and it one counts as one bow for determining bow limit!

I've got visitors coming round this weekend so I can't really take pictures. What I can do though is give a list of everything that I have for LOTR. This is the 10,227pts and does not include models which are broken and still in need of repair, hence some of the wierd numbers of models for some types (e.g. the Warg Riders). The list is below:

King of the Dead

9 Warriors of the Dead

Shelob

Balrog

Cave Troll w/ Spear and Chain

Moria Goblin Drum and Drummers

13 Goblins with Bows

8 Goblins with Shields

9 Goblins with Spears

Durin

Mardin

Dain Ironfoot

Murin and Drar

Balin

Dwarf Captain with Shield

Dwarf Warrior with Banner

8 Dwarf Warriors with Shields

8 Dwarf Warriors with 2 Handed Weapons

8 Dwarf Warriors with Bows

8 Dwarf Rangers with Throwing Axes

8 Dwarf Rangers with 2 Handed Weapons

8 Dwarf Rangers with Bows

8 Iron Guard

2 Khazad Guard

4 Vault Warden Teams

Dwarf Ballista with Crew

Easterling Captain with Halberd

Easterling Captain with Shield

8 Easterlings with Shields

8 Easterlings with Bows

3 Easterlings with Spears

Boromir of Gondor

Gandalf the White

Captain of Minas Tirith with Shield

2 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields

6 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields and Spears

6 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Bows

2 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Banners

4 Guards of the Fountain Court

1 Knight of Dol Amroth with Armoured horse (the old metal one)

Elendil

Isildur

8 Numenorean Warriors with Shields

Mahud Chieftain

Harashii

6 Haradrim Warriors with Bows

6 Haradrim Warriors with Spears

1 Haradrim Raider with lance (the old metal one)

1 Mumakil with Tusk Weapons

2 Half-Trolls

Saruman

Lurtz

Uruk-Hai Shaman

Uruk-Hai Captain with Shield

Uruk-Hai Captain with Heavy Armour

1 Uruk-Hai Warrior with Crossbow

18 Uruk-Hai Warriors with Pikes

11 Uruk-Hai Warriors with Shields

2 Uruk-Hai Demolition Teams

2 Uruk-Hai Ladder Teams

Sauron

The Mouth of Sauron

Gothmog foot and mounted

Shagrat

Gorbag

2 Orc Captains with Shields

Mordor Troll Chieftain

2 Orc Warriors with Banners

18 Orc Warriors with Shields

9 Orc Warriors with 2 Handed Weapons

1 Ringwraith on Horse

24 Orc Warriors with Spears

10 Orc Warriors with Bows

1 Warg Rider with Bow

4 Mordor Uruk-Hai

1 Mordor Troll

Theoden with Heavy Armour

Eowyn

Gamling

Aragorn with Armour and Anduril

Merry with Shield and Horn

9 Warriors of Rohan with Shields

9 Warriors of Rohan with Spears

12 Warriors of Rohan with Bows

9 Riders of Rohan with Throwing Spears

9 Riders of Rohan with Bows

12 Riders of Rohan with Shields

Saruman the White

Gandalf the Grey

Radagast the Brown

Treebeard

Aragorn with just Anduril

Legolas

Frodo with Sting and Mithril Armour

Sam

Pippin

Haldir with Bow and Armour

Galadriel

Cirdan

Glorfindel

Erestor

Thranduil

Gil-Galad

2 Elven Warriors with Spear and Shield

14 Elves with Elven Blades

1 Elf Warrior with Banner

25 Elven Warriors with Bows

Rampage wrote:I've got visitors coming round this weekend so I can't really take pictures. What I can do though is give a list of everything that I have for LOTR. This is the 10,227pts and does not include models which are broken and still in need of repair, hence some of the wierd numbers of models for some types (e.g. the Warg Riders). The list is below:

King of the Dead

9 Warriors of the Dead

Shelob

Balrog

Cave Troll w/ Spear and Chain

Moria Goblin Drum and Drummers

13 Goblins with Bows

8 Goblins with Shields

9 Goblins with Spears

Durin

Mardin

Dain Ironfoot

Murin and Drar

Balin

Dwarf Captain with Shield

Dwarf Warrior with Banner

8 Dwarf Warriors with Shields

8 Dwarf Warriors with 2 Handed Weapons

8 Dwarf Warriors with Bows

8 Dwarf Rangers with Throwing Axes

8 Dwarf Rangers with 2 Handed Weapons

8 Dwarf Rangers with Bows

8 Iron Guard

2 Khazad Guard

4 Vault Warden Teams

Dwarf Ballista with Crew

Easterling Captain with Halberd

Easterling Captain with Shield

8 Easterlings with Shields

8 Easterlings with Bows

3 Easterlings with Spears

Boromir of Gondor

Gandalf the White

Captain of Minas Tirith with Shield

2 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields

6 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields and Spears

6 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Bows

2 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Banners

4 Guards of the Fountain Court

1 Knight of Dol Amroth with Armoured horse (the old metal one)

Elendil

Isildur

8 Numenorean Warriors with Shields

Mahud Chieftain

Harashii

6 Haradrim Warriors with Bows

6 Haradrim Warriors with Spears

1 Haradrim Raider with lance (the old metal one)

1 Mumakil with Tusk Weapons

2 Half-Trolls

Saruman

Lurtz

Uruk-Hai Shaman

Uruk-Hai Captain with Shield

Uruk-Hai Captain with Heavy Armour

1 Uruk-Hai Warrior with Crossbow

18 Uruk-Hai Warriors with Pikes

11 Uruk-Hai Warriors with Shields

2 Uruk-Hai Demolition Teams

2 Uruk-Hai Ladder Teams

Sauron

The Mouth of Sauron

Gothmog foot and mounted

Shagrat

Gorbag

2 Orc Captains with Shields

Mordor Troll Chieftain

2 Orc Warriors with Banners

18 Orc Warriors with Shields

9 Orc Warriors with 2 Handed Weapons

1 Ringwraith on Horse

24 Orc Warriors with Spears

10 Orc Warriors with Bows

1 Warg Rider with Bow

4 Mordor Uruk-Hai

1 Mordor Troll

Theoden with Heavy Armour

Eowyn

Gamling

Aragorn with Armour and Anduril

Merry with Shield and Horn

9 Warriors of Rohan with Shields

9 Warriors of Rohan with Spears

12 Warriors of Rohan with Bows

9 Riders of Rohan with Throwing Spears

9 Riders of Rohan with Bows

12 Riders of Rohan with Shields

Saruman the White

Gandalf the Grey

Radagast the Brown

Treebeard

Aragorn with just Anduril

Legolas

Frodo with Sting and Mithril Armour

Sam

Pippin

Haldir with Bow and Armour

Galadriel

Cirdan

Glorfindel

Erestor

Thranduil

Gil-Galad

2 Elven Warriors with Spear and Shield

14 Elves with Elven Blades

1 Elf Warrior with Banner

25 Elven Warriors with Bows

WOW, you must have about 90% of the heros you can get!

How long did it take you to type that out as well

deathstreak2000 wrote:

Rampage wrote:I've got visitors coming round this weekend so I can't really take pictures. What I can do though is give a list of everything that I have for LOTR. This is the 10,227pts and does not include models which are broken and still in need of repair, hence some of the wierd numbers of models for some types (e.g. the Warg Riders). The list is below:

My list of Stuff

WOW, you must have about 90% of the heros you can get!

How long did it take you to type that out as well

I've got Elrond hiding in the repairs box as well. I actually typed it into notepad and then copied and pasted it here, and I already have a written list in front of me that I wrote ages ago to keep track of what I had.

I suppose when you have such a collection it is good to keep a list.

The trouble is it takes ages to write it!

haha i can imagine. Especially for you XD Can't wait till the summer to go on my little trip to east grinstead and see your armies and helms deep

leonardis wrote:The trouble is it takes ages to write it!

I know exactly what you mean when i decided to work out what I had last year I think I spent close to 6 hours just getting everything together to count it

I'd be happy to help make it easier for you

Hahahah

Worth a try XD

It was a nice try ;-)

ooo thinking about your collection. If i come along in the summer could we do the battle with Sharkus hunters? The one that Jackson made up. I really like the idea of a full warg army.

We can look at different scenarios depending on what's painted, last week I spoke with craig about creating a huge mines of Moria scene and or the ruins of osgiliath, just depends on what we plan to play Lotr of wotr!? When you do come we can discuss what you want to play and I'll bring the figures and make sure we have the correct scenery too so that we can get a 2 v 2 battle or run two seperate battles... So many options!

Yeah, i'm likely to let you know what i'll want to play well before i come a long anyway. Just lemme know if anything is ever planned for the summer so i'll know exactly when to come down I mean i'm 23 so i'm not a kid XD just incase you were worried lol.